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I use Holy Grail two times.  What happens?

I use New Jerusalem two times. What happens?

It's written in the old REG or rulebook that used up Artifacts are discarded.  There is no such rule for Sites.  I always assumed they worked they same way and was surprised to find out they don't.

NJ site does, yes.  Promised Land specifically states it is discarded after two uses.

Ongoing Abilities > Access to Sites > How to Use
"Access sites return to your territory at the end of battle unless the site card specifically instructs that it be discarded (e.g., Promised Land)."

or, the lost souls that trigger when put in a site.

It's written in the old REG or rulebook that used up Artifacts are discarded.  There is no such rule for Sites.  I always assumed they worked they same way and was surprised to find out they don't.

Inconsistent.  Somebody fix it.

My question is... Dragonraid can be used for access without it's SA, why can't a NJ in your territory do the same thing?

Hey, don't get ahead of me.   

Last I knew NJ discarded himself based on the rule used up cards are discarded.

If the only thing stopping NJ from being used forever is it's SA, then does that mean that I could use it with any FBN Hero forever?

Since when have FBN characters negated Special Abilities on sites (aside from Centurion at Capernaum, that is)?

Last I knew NJ discarded himself based on the rule used up cards are discarded.

Read Gabe's posts immediately above.

Holy Grail doesn't say to discard after used either.  The rules for Artifacts and Sites that have limited use should be the same.  Am I the only one who sees this as inconsistent?

The rules for Artifacts and Sites that have limited use should be the same.  Am I the only one who sees this as inconsistent?

I agree they would seem more consistent if they were the same.

Holy Grail doesn't say to discard after used either.  The rules for Artifacts and Sites that have limited use should be the same.  Am I the only one who sees this as inconsistent?

I'm not really sure why you think limited use Artifacts and Sites should be treated in the same manner when they are qualitatively different things. I don't consider treating different things differently as an example of inconsistency. There are any number of characters who have limited use per game abilities (e.g., Jephthah and King Amazing). Are you arguing we should discard those characters after their SA is used up?

In any case, I was explaining why NJ (site version) works the way it does currently, which is mostly orthogonal to this discussion. Thanks to YMT for adding a new wrinkle I hadn't thought about.  Nice. Very nice.

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I'm not really sure why you think limited use Artifacts and Sites should be treated in the same manner when they are qualitatively different things. I don't consider treating different things differently as an example of inconsistency. There are any number of characters who have limited use per game abilities (e.g., Jephthah and King Amazing). Are you arguing we should discard those characters after their SA is used up?

I would actually go the other way and say that used up Artifacts remain in the Artifact pile but the main thing is that if something is used up then it either goes away or stays around.  The fact that one used up card remains while another used up card goes away is inconsistent.

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I'm not really sure why you think limited use Artifacts and Sites should be treated in the same manner when they are qualitatively different things. I don't consider treating different things differently as an example of inconsistency. There are any number of characters who have limited use per game abilities (e.g., Jephthah and King Amazing). Are you arguing we should discard those characters after their SA is used up?

I would actually go the other way and say that used up Artifacts remain in the Artifact pile but the main thing is that if something is used up then it either goes away or stays around.  The fact that one used up card remains while another used up card goes away is inconsistent.

Angelic advice anyone?

It would also be nice in regard to people like The Assyrian Spoliers & The Imperial Guard who discard random facedown artifacts.