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The errata seems pretty clear. When you use it, the cost of using it is discarding it. It would make more sense to me if it just stayed in battle or in Artifact pile even after it was used since it has a "use once" restriction.

It also doesn't really work as an Artifact (as written) unless you're able to activate it in battle (after a GE has been played).

Oh dear. I may have accidentally killed called attention to the shortcomings of a card that's pretty important for one of my decks.

The errata seems pretty clear. When you use it, the cost of using it is discarding it. It would make more sense to me if it just stayed in battle or in Artifact pile even after it was used since it has a "use once" restriction.

The "use once" isn't in the errata, just on the card. Or are you saying that's how you'd prefer it worked based on the original wording?

It seems like that errata was given with only the artifact side in mind. It does make it necessary to discard the Enhancement to use it, but I’m not certain it allows it to be used during SI which would be sad. Seems like we should revisit that.

Why wouldn't it? Does needing to discard to negate stop it from working in SI? In that case, wouldn't that apply to cards like Scapegoat as well, or using the Gam's Speech-type enhancements in battle? I've always understood those to work in SI, but correct me if I'm wrong.

It also doesn't really work as an Artifact (as written) unless you're able to activate it in battle (after a GE has been played).

Wait, really? I thought the "last played" meant that it was constantly updating, so it would still work if you activated it the turn before.

I thought that the "At any time" in the errata overrode that.

I'm sorry - I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand as deeply as possible.

It seems like that errata was given with only the artifact side in mind. It does make it necessary to discard the Enhancement to use it, but I’m not certain it allows it to be used during SI which would be sad. Seems like we should revisit that.

I’ve used the errata version several times as an enh in battle during SI. I don’t see why it can’t be used during SI since the REG states the following:

“The player with their character(s) being removed has the opportunity to play an Enhancement that will interrupt or negate both the effect causing the removal (or that triggered the corresponding game rule) and the ability containing that effect.”

Again, I'll call attention to Scapegoat, which requires banishing it to negate evil enhancements. I've used this in special initiative for years, including at Nats this year. Have I been playing it incorrectly?

Quote from: Watchman on October 30, 2018, 01:47:02 PM

Quote from: Gabe on October 30, 2018, 10:17:35 AM

It seems like that errata was given with only the artifact side in mind. It does make it necessary to discard the Enhancement to use it, but I’m not certain it allows it to be used during SI which would be sad. Seems like we should revisit that.

I’ve used the errata version several times as an enh in battle during SI. I don’t see why it can’t be used during SI since the REG states the following:

“The player with their character(s) being removed has the opportunity to play an Enhancement that will interrupt or negate both the effect causing the removal (or that triggered the corresponding game rule) and the ability containing that effect.”

The reason for Unsuccessful potentially not working in SI is because it doesn't negate the ability just by being played, it requires the player to activate an manual ability first. Similar to why G Speech can't be played from hand during SI.

Then where in any current rulebook is this spelled out? I know that’s how Gam’s Speech has worked but this needs to be clarified somewhere if it isn’t already. There are other players I know who have tried to use a card like Gam’s Speech during SI. The same argument could be made for Word of their Testimony and Spirit of Fear during SI.