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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Aelec Enitnel on April 30, 2011, 11:24:46 PM
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I can't find my way around the REG if my life depended on it.
What are the rules for unique characters? What makes a character differant than another?
Can I have Both types of Gabriels (warriors\kings and Disciples)?
I know they can't be in play at the same time, but, in a 50 card deck is it legal?
I think not, but I want clarification.
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No,
Uniqueness is based on name, reference, art, ability and brigade
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thought so.
but clarify please... "no" to all of the above ???
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Correct, that's No to those questions.
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Okeeey. thanks.
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Two non-generic cards with the same name and same brigade are considered to be the same unique character. Example: The Prophets Moses is the same character as the G-Deck Moses.
Two non-generic cards with the same name and same artwork are considered to be the same unique character. Example: Gold-brigade King of Tyrus is the same character as the Orange-brigade King of Tyrus.
Unique characters of same brigade are limited to 1 per 50 in T1. (This would cover the Gabriel example you asked about.)
This limit only applies to cards of the same brigade, however. You could, for example, have both Kings of Tyrus in a 50 card deck . This surprised me just now when I looked it up, but it is straight from the rulebook. You can find the relevant sections here (http://redemptionreg.com/REG/default.htm?turl=typeideckbuildingrules.htm).
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The rulebook is outdated. You cannot have both KoT in a 50 card deck.
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I don't know if it's still the ruling, but you used to be able to have Starter Deck "John" and Promo "John" both in the same 50 card deck despite them having the same name and brigade. The artwork and SA were different, and that was enough to be able to put them both in your deck.
However, you were only allowed to have 1 of them in play at a time.
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The rulebook is outdated. You cannot have both KoT in a 50 card deck.
More likely I misunderstood/misapplied it. The example used in the rulebook is the red-brigade David and the green-brigade David, which have a different brigade and different artwork. For some reason, I thought they shared artwork.
My bad.
I don't know if it's still the ruling, but you used to be able to have Starter Deck "John" and Promo "John" both in the same 50 card deck despite them having the same name and brigade. The artwork and SA were different, and that was enough to be able to put them both in your deck.
If that is the ruling, then I would like to ask for elder confirmation that what is written in the rulebook is wrong. I would also like to get the exact definition of what constitutes a unique character under the revised rules.
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I do not believe the Prof is correct. Both Johns have the same name and brigade. They should never have been allowed together in a 50-card deck. I would also like confirmation from Elders if the rulebook definition has changed, since I have been on these boards for a while and never heard about any such change.
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I don't know if it's still the ruling, but you used to be able to have Starter Deck "John" and Promo "John" both in the same 50 card deck despite them having the same name and brigade. The artwork and SA were different, and that was enough to be able to put them both in your deck.
However, you were only allowed to have 1 of them in play at a time.
That's what I thought and I based my deck on this at the IA state, then in the middle of the tournament one of them had to be removed from my deck :'( :'( :'(
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I do not believe the Prof is correct. Both Johns have the same name and brigade. They should never have been allowed together in a 50-card deck.
Like I said already, I don't know if it is still the ruling. But one of the guys who traveled with me to Nats '08 had both John's in his deck, and I remember being there when he asked if it was legal. The ruling there was that it WAS legal, and he played that deck at that Nats tournament.
I wasn't an elder back then, so I don't know what the reasoning was. And it might have changed. But that used to be the way it was :)
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I think unique character deck rules were changed with the release of Priests.
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I think unique character deck rules were changed with the release of Priests.
Can we get specifics on what they are now?
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They're on the Priests insert card if anyone has one of those close by.
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I thought it was on the Angel Wars insert...to avoid having Michael and Michael in the same deck.
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It was Priests and this is what it says:
Duplicate Rules for Deck Building
1) Character cards with the same title and the same art are considered duplicates for deck building. Therefore, Jeremiah (white) and Jeremiah (teal) are duplicate characters and only one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50-99 cards.
2) Character cards with the same title and the same brigade are considered duplicate characters unless they are a generic character and have different art. Therefore, Michael (Warriors), Michael (Kings) and Michael (Angel Wars) are considered the same hero and only one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50-99 cards. However, Sadducees (G deck) and Sadducees (Apostles, 3 variants) all have different art and are generic characters, so one of each is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50-99 cards.
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I remember typing this out on the boards a while back and wondering if the example for the first point was poorly chosen. Wouldn't you be allowed to have the non-SA Jeremiah with a SA Jeremiah? I don't see how duplicate rules apply to non-SA heroes since you are allowed to have 3 of the same non-SA hero in a Type 1 deck. Or, has that rule changed, too?
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I remember typing this out on the boards a while back and wondering if the example for the first point was poorly chosen. Wouldn't you be allowed to have the non-SA Jeremiah with a SA Jeremiah? I don't see how duplicate rules apply to non-SA heroes since you are allowed to have 3 of the same non-SA hero in a Type 1 deck. Or, has that rule changed, too?
I believe YMT is correct on this point. Bad example. A better example from Priests is KoT gold and KoT orange.
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1) Character cards with the same title and the same art are considered duplicates for deck building.
A possibly interesting factoid that has stuck in my mind is that art that differs solely by perspective or color or magnification is considered "same art" for the purposes of this clause. See for example the Warrior's and Priest's versions of Fallen Angel.
Tres pedantic power-up points pour moi.
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Hey,
Wouldn't you be allowed to have the non-SA Jeremiah with a SA Jeremiah? I don't see how duplicate rules apply to non-SA heroes since you are allowed to have 3 of the same non-SA hero in a Type 1 deck. Or, has that rule changed, too?
In a 150 card deck you could have 3 copies of SA Jeremiah or 3 copies of non-SA Jeremiah, but since they are the same card you cannot have 3 or each. In a 50 card deck you could have 1 copy of SA Jeremiah or 3 copies of non-SA Jeremiah but not both. The use of non-SA characters and 100+ card decks is so uncommon in the current meta that we don't think about it much, but that's where the rule would apply to Jeremiah.
And since it always comes up when this topic is breached, you can have 2 copies of non-SA Jeremiah and 1 copy of SA Jeremiah in the same 50 card deck. It satisfies both the "no more than 3 copies" rule and the "1 per 50 with special ability" rule.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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So I was right..... I think.....
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So I was right..... I think.....
That's how I feel after most rulings