Author Topic: Unique rule (Read 6483 times)

Colin Michael · « **on:** July 30, 2009, 02:42:48 PM »

How exactly does the unique rule work?

If Creation of the World forces all Genesis heroes out of your deck, since it is not a may, it should force out doubles. In this case, it seems logical to me that the choice of which double to discard falls upon the owner.

Is this correct?

happyjosiah · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2009, 02:53:45 PM »

A player may only have one copy of a card on the table that represents the same person.
I can have a Red David, Green David, and King David in my deck, but only one on my side of the table at a time. I believe this includes set asides and land of bondage as well.

If two end up under my control at once, I have to choose one to discard.

Answer the question?

Colin Michael · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2009, 02:54:35 PM »

Answers the second question, however, does Creation of the World force doubles into play? If so, I've built a deck that breaks Type II.

happyjosiah · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:10:20 PM »

I believe it would, so I guess you have. Congrats!

Korunks · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:13:19 PM »

Well wouldn't that fall under clause two so to speak,

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If two end up under my control at once, I have to choose one to discard.

So if it forced duplicates into control, you choose and discard the "extras".

Colin Michael · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:20:59 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 30, 2009, 03:13:19 PM

Well wouldn't that fall under clause two so to speak,

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If two end up under my control at once, I have to choose one to discard.

So if it forced duplicates into control, you choose and discard the "extras".

Well, the follow up question is "does Creation of the World force all duplicates into play?" I think it does.

Korunks · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:26:10 PM »

I think it does also, so I believe you would have to discard multiple copies of cards. To bad you couldn't do it to your opponents Type 2 genesis deck, that could be quite cruel.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:02:08 PM »

... wow. Just wow. I think I may know what you're thinking of, and if I'm right might I just say ow.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:21:18 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on July 30, 2009, 04:02:08 PM

... wow. Just wow. I think I may know what you're thinking of, and if I'm right might I just say ow.

I came up with the idea for the deck before last nationals. I've tested it. It works. Infinite win condition.

The Schaef · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:23:40 PM »

What's the rest of it?

Gohanick · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:26:49 PM »

I made a deck like this about a year back

the whole idea was to play creation as soon as i could (put the duplicates in discard) to thin out my type 2 deck and draw the doms faster

then just use a chariots and creation again

I was about to win the state 1st place for type 2 when I creationed and got wrath of satan'd with no heroes left : -P

Colin Michael · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:29:38 PM »

(1) Provision Beniah
(2) Micah + Hidden Treasures + Creation of the World + all Genesis heroes from D-deck
(3) Discard all doubles (you have a double of every unique Genesis hero).
(4) Abraham's Servant to Ur on Jacob.
(Next turn)
(1) Activate Chariot of Fire
(2) RA Beniah, shuffle all Genesis heroes back.
(Next Turn)
Repeat combo getting back all enhancements with Micah and Asher (order of abilities prevents Micah and Asher from being negated by Jacob).

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:39:15 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on July 30, 2009, 05:29:38 PM

Repeat combo getting back all enhancements with Micah and Asher (order of abilities prevents Micah and Asher from being negated by Jacob).

I'm confused.

The Schaef · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »

As am I.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:48:50 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on July 30, 2009, 05:29:38 PM

(1) Provision Beniah
(2) Micah + Hidden Treasures + Creation of the World + all Genesis heroes from D-deck
(3) Discard all doubles (you have a double of every unique Genesis hero).
(4) Abraham's Servant to Ur on Jacob.
(Next turn)
(1) Activate Chariot of Fire
(2) RA Beniah, shuffle all Genesis heroes back.
(Next Turn)
Repeat combo getting back all enhancements with Micah and Asher (order of abilities prevents Micah and Asher from being negated by Jacob).

Oh, that's not what I was thinking at all.

Also, I'm confused as well.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:19:18 PM »

I'll let you guys muse over it.

The Schaef · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:23:10 PM »

I'm not going to bother playing mind games with you. I'm just going to call shenanigans until you prove that order of abilities is a factor.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:24:02 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on July 30, 2009, 11:23:10 PM

I'm not going to bother playing mind games with you. I'm just going to call shenanigans until you prove that order of abilities is a factor.

When cards hit the draw pile, they reset. Micah and Asher can't be negated if the shuffling occurs before the Ur.

The Schaef · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:30:55 PM »

That doesn't make sense. I don't see how you are banding them in, then discarding them, then shuffling them, before playing Ur. And I don't see how Micah gets shuffled/reset/banded/anything at all in this combo.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:34:43 PM »

Doesn't Abe's Servant negate the search part of Creation, returning the Genesis heroes to the deck?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:35:36 PM »

That's where he thinks order of abilities come in, but I am pretty sure he is wrong.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:36:39 PM »

You band them in from the deck with Creation of the World.
The doubles are discard because of the unique rule.
The provisions and creations are shuffled by Micah when he hits the table.
The Urs are shuffled by Asher when he hits the table.
When Jacob hits the table last, he uses Ur.
Because the previous enhancements are already shuffled, the cards are reset and are not relocated in the negation.
When the combo goes again, you band in heroes from the draw pile and discard the ones in your territory.

Any more questions?

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on July 30, 2009, 11:34:43 PM

Doesn't Abe's Servant negate the search part of Creation, returning the Genesis heroes to the deck?

Doesn't negate banding.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:37:53 PM »

If it negates the search it indirectly negates the band.

Sean · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:38:34 PM »

Your combo falls apart where you think that the Enhancements resetting means that they don't get returned to where they came from.

The Schaef · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:46:40 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on July 30, 2009, 11:36:39 PM

You band them in from the deck with Creation of the World.
The doubles are discard because of the unique rule.

Okay...

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The provisions and creations are shuffled by Micah when he hits the table.
The Urs are shuffled by Asher when he hits the table.

Which cards would these be? First of all, any Provisions' and Creations' would be shuffled by Micah before he plays an Enhancement and second, they shuffle from the discard pile, they don't affect anything you have in play, so you always have to have another copy in hand.

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When Jacob hits the table last, he uses Ur.

Okay...

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Because the previous enhancements are already shuffled, the cards are reset and are not relocated in the negation.

This I do not follow. What previous Enhancements? The ones from your last turn which doesn't affect this battle?

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Doesn't Abe's Servant negate the search part of Creation, returning the Genesis heroes to the deck?
Doesn't negate banding.

Read his post, please. He didn't say banding. He did say, correctly, that it negates the search in Creation and therefore sends them all back.

As far as I can tell, all you've done is produce the most elaborate FBN Provisioned Micah lone battle ever.

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