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Also, I'm not the type to drop an opinion just because it's unpopular, especially when there's rulings that back it.

Agreed. Look at me with Angels Sword. Everyone had settled with one ruling, I pointed out an inconstancy, and it got changed... quite a few people fought tooth and nail against me then too.

Agreed. Look at me with Angels Sword. Everyone had settled with one ruling, I pointed out an inconstancy, and it got changed... quite a few people fought tooth and nail against me then too.

Right here shows what I said is true. So does your old signature. You got so hot headed and arrogant and can not stop talking about how you changed angel's sword. Cool, good find. But this is different, so quit trying to change something else. Win a tournament if you want recognition, don't try to get something changed due to technicalities.
Also look t how many rulings and sets came out between this and Assyria's Tribute. The wording was different back then. It is being played how it should, so leave it alone.

Second it might be a play as but it says on the card, which is what I said, that it says may.

Doesnt matter what is written on the card if it gets a play as or errata. Those override the original wording.

I'm still waiting on your response to this:

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on July 26, 2009, 11:44:48 PM

Unholy Writ is activated and one, there is no hero in battle

If there is no hero in battle, AT is still counted as being used. Your point is?

Right here shows what I said is true. So does your old signature. You got so hot headed and arrogant and can not stop talking about how you changed angel's sword. Cool, good find. But this is different, so quit trying to change something else. Win a tournament if you want recognition, don't try to get something changed due to technicalities.

I am NOT doing this for recognition. I am just want the game to be consistant. Is there something wrong with wanting a game to function correctly? You brought up that we were simply arguing for arguing, and I brought that up and you claim I am being arrogant? The first part of my first post in this thread was largely just being funny, but me wanting consistancy was true.

I agree with Clift except it should keep the "human" clause. Especially since I believe that's the way we worded that one card in the new set...

that play as would fix all the problems, I'm happy with it... otherwise, I agree with AA and Lambo.

I think the simple change streamlines the wording and makes things easier.

Kirk

Hey,

What Rob said:

"Used = activated"

What Rob meant:

"For artifacts that are conditional and for artifacts that simply happen, activating the artifact (and it not being negated) is all that has to happen for it to qualify as a use.  For artifacts that are optional, the option must be invoked to qualify as a use."

Assyrian Tribute is a conditional artifact.  Unholy Writ is an optional artifact.

Does that clear things up?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

"Whoa, kill the motor, dude." - Crush (from Finding Nemo)

Russell, what he is trying to clear up is what Rob had tried to clarify. The rule you are talking about applies to "Limited Use" artifacts, which is a classification not a dictionary reference. Unholy Writ is an "Optional Use" artifact, by classification, so it has different rules than a "Limited Use" artifact. You are focusing too much on semantics, rather than the categories established by the game's founder.

It's been quoted a few times on this thread already, but heres the quote and a link as well

Some artifacts, covenants, or curses have a limited number of times you can use them. When these come to an end, you must discard them immediately. Once such an artifact, covenant, or curse is activated, it must be counted as having been used. This is true even if other events duplicate the effect of the artifac, covenant, or curse during the turn.

Also, how is an Unholy Writ ANY different than Assyria's tribute? The current phrasing is practically the same. If it's play as'd or errata'd to work like Unknown Nation (eg, discard this card to...) then it would work as you all say, but right now the ruling for one should be the same as the other. Especially since one of the main arguments I've seen for why AT works how it does (apart from Used = Activated) is that "It can effect how your opponent plays" which is also true for UW. Double standards = broken game.

Hey,

Thanks for the rulebook quote.  It's worth noting the the PDF rulebook (and the printed rulebook) do not have the sentence you bolded.  So apparently that's a modification made by Mike, presumably as a response to Rob's post.  In which case Unholy Writ was an oversight.  Now that you have brought Unholy Writ up we can correct the sentence to account for Unholy Writ.

Also, how is an Unholy Writ ANY different than Assyria's tribute?

Unholy Writ is optional.  Assyrian Tribute is conditional.  With an optional ability you choose whether or not you will use it.  With a conditional ability you have to use it and the game (whether or not the condition is satisfied) determines whether or not it has any effect.  Does that explain the difference?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I disagree on the difference between "optional" and "limited use" as you're putting it because the wording on UW is much more like a limited use than an optional ability (such as Unknown Nation) which don't list turn limits.

Here's an example with another card that's got split wording on it, I Am Healing.

I Am Healing
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 0 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may heal all of holder's Heroes in play. May be used twice.

In that ability it has the word "May" in it, BUT it also has the same turn limit as AT. Right now it's played as "May be used to heal twice" instead of the ability that's actually written.

Right now there are 4 cards that need to either be ruled differently than they are now, or be given (new) play as. (These cards are UW, Cov/Noah, Unsuccessful and IaHealing) Though there are likely more. I really don't care which option is chosen, just as long as it's consistent so that the game functions as it should.


(also, I read YMT's post, I just respectfully disagree. I'm currently attempting to get tournaments set up myself and I don't want to have to try and explain to players "Used means activated, except on this list of cards!")

Hey,

I disagree on the difference between "optional" and "limited use" as you're putting it because the wording on UW is much more like a limited use than an optional ability (such as Unknown Nation) which don't list turn limits.

Unholy Writ is both a limited use and an optional ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly