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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 02, 2009, 05:29:22 PM
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If I make a r.a. with king saul with throne of david and defeat the ecs in battle. Then my op uses UN to bring in a new ec is that reblocking and reactivating Throne of D?
Unknown nation
If opponent’s Hero is in battle, you may discard this card to search draw pile for a human Evil Character and add it to battle. Cannot be interrupted.
Throne of David.
When your purple brigade King is blocked, if no Evil Character in battle has a weapon, you may draw X cards and play an O.T. purple brigade Enhancement. • Attributes: X = the number of evil brigades your opponent has in play
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i don't think they can reblock
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I would say UN isn't reblocking as much as adding a 2nd EC to battle, like banding to no one. :)
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I would agree with Cameron that the person isn't "reblocking" as much as banding someone else into battle. They just have teh ability to band after a character has been killed or removed from battle. So I would say that Throne of David wouldn't in essence work again because its a band.
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Hey,
I agree, "blocking" (as per Throne of David) is the action of putting an evil character into battle by a game rule, not by a special ability. So using Unknown Nation would not trigger it (also of interest using a character from The Darkness wouldn't trigger it either because with The Darkness you "choose not to block" and then use it's ability to add a character to battle).
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Hey,
I agree, "blocking" (as per Throne of David) is the action of putting an evil character into battle by a game rule, not by a special ability. So using Unknown Nation would not trigger it (also of interest using a character from The Darkness wouldn't trigger it either because with The Darkness you "choose not to block" and then use it's ability to add a character to battle).
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
If using The Darkness to place an Evil Character into battle is not "blocking," is that Evil Character considered a blocker for the purpose of abilities such as Helmet of Brass?
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Hey,
If using The Darkness to place an Evil Character into battle is not "blocking," is that Evil Character considered a blocker for the purpose of abilities such as Helmet of Brass?
Yes. Any evil character in a battle fighting a hero is a "blocker."
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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But if a card isn't blocking how can It be a blocker?
That is like saying I am a police officer if I don't work for the police department.
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Hey,
The term block/blocker/blocking/blocked is/are used to refer to several different things. It can refer to the game action of putting an evil character into battle, the state of being in battle against a hero, the character that is in that state, or even the player that controls the character in that state.
In this case the character is in the state of being in battle against a hero and in that sense it is "blocking" but it did not satisfy the condition of "is blocked by" on Throne of David when it entered battle.
It's more like saying I have a degree from a university but I never attended class there. It seems impossible, but since universities give out honorary degrees it is in fact possible.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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I get that but how does blocking from darkness not count as blocking? (talking about using the if unblocked part)
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Hey,
I get that but how does blocking from darkness not count as blocking? (talking about using the if unblocked part)
The same way that Unknown Nation and Sound the Alarm don't count as blocking. Blocking is a game action, all of these cards are special abilities. The special abilities introduce a new character to battle and that character is then a blocking character, but it does not qualify as "blocking" because "blocking" is a game action, not a special ability.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Why wouldnt UN (used at the start of battle, not as a banding card)count? That sounds like if a s.a. does a game action it doesn't count as a game action. E.g. uzzah vs sog, sog wins? I don't understand how blocking a r.a. from a site, a fort, or an artifact isn't blocking (I agree with the adding to battle later, cuz he was already blocked and already played his enh.)
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Hey,
That sounds like if a s.a. does a game action it doesn't count as a game action.
Right, a game action is something the game rules allow you to do. If you're doing it by a special ability, then it's not a game action.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Ok, so son of God beats uzzah because rescuing a lost soul is a game action of winning a rescue attempt? Therefor it isn't 'really' rescuing it? (I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm failing to see why s.a.'s that do game actions don't count as game actions, despite the fact you are doing a game action)
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Hey,
The lost soul you get from Son of God is rescued by a special ability. The lost soul you get from winning a battle is rescued by a game action. Uzzah protects against both.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Then how is blocking by a special ability not blocking?
A game action is something done without a s.a.?
How is 'May add character to battle' (S.a.) not 'adding a character to battle' (Blocking) yet Rescue any ls (S.a.) is Rescuing a lost soul (game action)?
I may be seeing it wrong but it seems like any card used to initiate a block, makes an evil character be blocking. I would agree that once blocked you don't re-block even if the EC dies, but UN/Darkness now block without blocking?
To block is getting the degree, you just weren't in play to get it originally.
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The current definition of block as printed in the online REG says:
Blocking is the attempt to prevent a rescue. Only Evil Characters may block. Placing an Evil Character into the Field of Battle constitutes blocking.
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OMGOSH! Then my totally evil combo works! If placing anyone into the field of battle works... yay! I am so happy.
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The current definition of block as printed in the online REG says:
Blocking is the attempt to prevent a rescue. Only Evil Characters may block. Placing an Evil Character into the Field of Battle constitutes blocking.
For once I agree with the REG, the world is so ending.
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Hey,
How is 'May add character to battle' (S.a.) not 'adding a character to battle' (Blocking) yet Rescue any ls (S.a.) is Rescuing a lost soul (game action)?
Short answer is that some abilities refer to just game actions some abilities refer to just special abilities, and some abilities refer to both. Protect abilities (like Uzzah) default to referring to both, so it stops both Rescue any lost soul (special ability on Son of God) and Rescue a lost soul (game action after hero wins a battle). The two rescue effects are different effects, but Uzzah stops both of them. Similarly blocking by game action and "blocking" by special ability (like Unknown Nation, The Darkness, or Foreign Enemy) are different effects. My understanding is that The Throne of David is only triggered by the blocking game action and is not triggered by the "blocking" special ability.
The Long answer...is coming. I'm looking into the general use of the word "block" for more information and will give the long answer as soon as I figure out how to say it.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Foreign enemy is a banding enhancement, not a card putting the first ec into battle (blocking).
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Foreign enemy is a banding enhancement, not a card putting the first ec into battle (blocking).
yes, but Darkness and UN are technically banding cards too I believe.
Plus, since the REG says blocking is simply "Placing and Evil character into battle to stop a rescue attempt" following that to a T, then every time an EC is banded into battle Throne would reactivate, I think.
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you can't band to nothing :-p. Banding is putting 2 ecs/heroes being in battle. Either way be it banding or not, I would say it counts for a block (even if its just the first time)