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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2014, 08:25:17 PM »
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I would really love that! But a friend just brought a card to this interpretation.
Kir.
If the opponent choses one of my teammates characters to block, could I say that it is not mine, and than use kirs ability to search my deck for someone?

Thinking about it, I think that if an opponent forces a character to block, it is also forcing the player who's territory the character was taken from, based on the wording of the cards. Ehud, chose an opponent's male evil character to block, implying that there is one opponent, and that is the opponent who blocks.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 08:35:13 PM by yirgogo »
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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2014, 09:23:05 AM »
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In my opinion Rediubters interpretation is correct.
Being as I'm on the disagreeing side I'd love to know your reasoning for that. :P

I would really love that! But a friend just brought a card to this interpretation.
Kir.
If the opponent choses one of my teammates characters to block, could I say that it is not mine, and than use kirs ability to search my deck for someone?

Thinking about it, I think that if an opponent forces a character to block, it is also forcing the player who's territory the character was taken from, based on the wording of the cards. Ehud, chose an opponent's male evil character to block, implying that there is one opponent, and that is the opponent who blocks.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I'm not 100% sure but I believe I've seen it played that if a choose the blocker ability is used prior to the actual block then the blocking team still can choose which player will control the battle and the chosen EC would then be under their control (not ownership, just control) for that battle. I could certainly see it being the way you suggest, though.

I think (based on my interpretation of Tower, which is apparently incorrect so take this with a grain of salt) that since both players control Kir (assuming it's occupied because otherwise it's in its owner's territory) if you choose one of their characters to block the other player (whichever doesn't own the EC) could use Kir to discard the EC and search.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 12:20:58 PM by browarod »

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2014, 11:10:21 AM »
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Hey,

The way I understand Fortresses being shared it's as if both teammates have a copy of the fortress in their territory.  The effect won't double because of this (i.e. a shared crown of thorns will not reduce evil characters by 0/6 - I know crown of thorns isn't a fortress) but other than that each player basically has the Fortress for themselves.  So if either teammate satisfies the Cananite condition on Tower the Negating of abilities on Heroes would be in effect.

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2014, 04:42:31 PM »
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Alright, I stand corrected. Thanks for the confirmation RDT and SirNobody! :)

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2014, 04:55:55 PM »
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Hey,

The way I understand Fortresses being shared it's as if both teammates have a copy of the fortress in their territory.  The effect won't double because of this (i.e. a shared crown of thorns will not reduce evil characters by 0/6 - I know crown of thorns isn't a fortress) but other than that each player basically has the Fortress for themselves.  So if either teammate satisfies the Cananite condition on Tower the Negating of abilities on Heroes would be in effect.

Tschow,

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2014, 06:13:16 PM »
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On the Kir question, I don't think we can really appropriately answer that without understanding for sure what happens with CTB in Teams, a subject that is not entirely clear to me.

If I CTB, does that, or does that not, lock in who can block for the opposing side?  Does anyone know where that rule is kept?

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2014, 10:34:25 PM »
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I remember asking this at Nationals in a relevant team game and the answer was no it doesn't lock in who can block.  I don't know where or if there is an official record of the ruling. 

I think it makes sense to rule that way.

1.  You can choose your own character to block and obviously that has nothing to do with what person is blocking.

2.  In multiplayer, you can choose to make a rescue attempt against person B and choose an evil character for them to block with from person C. 

I think the line is clear that who the rescue attempt is against and what character(s) block are entirely different decisions. 

In teams you are always making a rescue attempt against the opposing team (both players) and I think the official rule is that the person to your left gets to decide first if they will actually block you and if not then the teammate gets to decide whether to block or leave you unblocked. 

The only difference here is that if you choose the blocker then 1 of them must decide to be the blocking person since you can't be unblocked at that point.  I don't think this is written anywhere but I think it would make sense that if both teammates pass the option to block then it will default to the opponent on your left since that is the initial default.  In practice this never came up since usually teammates work together and decide together who will block. 

For cards like Ehud, both members of the opposing team are always your opponent.  For Kir someone needs to list the actual wording of the card.

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2014, 06:40:36 AM »
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2.  In multiplayer, you can choose to make a rescue attempt against person B and choose an evil character for them to block with from person C. 

Just to clarify on this point, that in normal MP, you cannot use a CTB that says "opponent's" to choose player C's EC for player B to block with.  Only player B is your opponent at that point, as opposed to Teams where both are considered meeting that condition.  There is a distinction between the categories.

If that is the rule though, and CTB does not lock them in, then I would say that an occupied Kir is read from the perspectives of both teammates based on the rulings here, and would agree with browarod that the player who did not own the EC chosen could choose to discard it with Kir if they choose to be the blocking player.

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Re: Tower of Thebez in teams
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2014, 11:48:05 AM »
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Just to clarify on this point, that in normal MP, you cannot use a CTB that says "opponent's" to choose player C's EC for player B to block with.  Only player B is your opponent at that point, as opposed to Teams where both are considered meeting that condition.  There is a distinction between the categories.

Agree.  My post was getting long so I didn't clarify that.  I was referring to a CTB without conditions like (I think) Provisions.  However, a card like Ehud works differently in the two categories because of who meets the condition of being your opponent.

 


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