Author Topic: a question that came up at ne regionals.... (Read 9147 times)

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #50 on:** June 02, 2011, 05:24:03 PM »

Is that the ONLY way they can get out of the Boat? I can't choose to take Disciples out of the boat and not use the ability? That doesn't make sense...

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 02, 2011, 05:24:46 PM »

The rule is if it discribes how they go in and out then they cannot go freely. FB only discribes how they go out so they can go in in the prep.

Quote from: SomeKittens on June 02, 2011, 03:53:49 PM

New rulings. There's no way for a host to be sure they're caught up on new rulings. For instance, we thought one could put Disciples back in Boat during the Discard phase.

No offense but that isn't a new ruling. Fb has always worked only in the prep for guys going in. But I do agree with you that it is difficult to keep up with rulings, because most of them could go either way or they flip flop. Like protection, asahel +grapes, doubler in teams, shame lost soul etc...

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #52 on:** June 02, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on June 02, 2011, 05:24:46 PM

The rule is if it discribes how they go in and out then they cannot go freely.

This was what was brought up the last couple times this came up. Since Fishing Boat only describes one of these 2, it therefore apparently frees it up so that you can take Heroes out in other ways than just the ones listed on the card.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #53 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:14:32 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on June 01, 2011, 10:43:09 AM

I'm just saying that the current system can work if the hosts do it right. There should be at least 1 Elder at every Regional tournament, and the hosts should listen to what they say.

Uh-oh....

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #54 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:29:25 PM »

Tim's comment has me concerned as well...

Do we have ample representation of Elders across each of the regions? In Maryland we only see ours once a year, (twice if we make it to nationals)...and the closest elder is 4-5hrs away (yes we have electronic communication and cell phones, but seeing and understanding rulings live is much different) while there seems to be quite a contingent in MN for example....just food for thought....

By the way, it was me that told everyone about the Gates of Hell misruling, because I could have sworn that after Nationals in Boston there was a talk about you can't use it more than 10 times in a turn. I play a T2 GOH deck so it DID effect me...but I can't seem to find the ruling anywhere, but I know I wouldn't make it up either...too odd...

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #55 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:35:11 PM »

I suggest we force Gabe to move to the North East and Justin to the south. Then I might actually be able to win a tournament or two.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #56 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:41:51 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on June 02, 2011, 06:35:11 PM

I suggest we force Gabe to move to the North East and Justin to the south. Then I might actually be able to win a tournament or two.

That'd still leave us with John, Jordan, and Tim...I vote to move Tim to go to the Northwest.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #57 on:** June 03, 2011, 01:55:29 AM »

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on June 02, 2011, 06:29:25 PM

Do we have ample representation of Elders across each of the regions?

That is a good question. Off the top of my head, I know that Bryon is in the SW, many are in the NC, at least a couple are in the NE, I'm in the EC, Eric Largent is in the SE. That just leaves the MW (which I know that I and RDT will both be at), the NW (which I doubt will even have a regional), and the SC.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #58 on:** June 03, 2011, 02:00:43 AM »

Rob - CactusRob - East Central
Chris Bany - cdbany - North Central
John M - faithraider - Northeast
Jordan Alstad - ProfessorAlstad - North Central
Justin Alstad - The Guardian - North Central
Roy Cruz - Reyzen - Northeast
Mark Underwood - Prof Underwood - East Central
Kevin Shride - Kevin Shride - North Central
Mike Berkenpas - frisian9 - Northeast
Tim Maly - SirNobody - North Central
Bryon Hake - Bryon - Southwest
Stephen Schaefer - The Schaef - Midwest
Gabe Isbell - Gabe - North Central
Eric Largent - XeroSplash - Southeast
John Earley - Red Dragon Thorn - North Central.

Thats the Elders, board names, and then region.

The only regions without Elders are the Northwest and South Central. Some regions only have one Elder, but most of those usually have other Elders who attend tournaments in that region (I.E. Midwest where Mark usually attends a regional, and the occasional state)

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #59 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:36:24 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on June 03, 2011, 02:00:43 AM

Rob - CactusRob - East Central
Chris Bany - cdbany - North Central
John M - faithraider - Northeast
Jordan Alstad - ProfessorAlstad - North Central
Justin Alstad - The Guardian - North Central
Roy Cruz - Reyzen - Northeast
Mark Underwood - Prof Underwood - East Central
Kevin Shride - Kevin Shride - North Central
Mike Berkenpas - frisian9 - Northeast
Tim Maly - SirNobody - North Central
Bryon Hake - Bryon - Southwest
Stephen Schaefer - The Schaef - Midwest
Gabe Isbell - Gabe - North Central
Eric Largent - XeroSplash - Southeast
John Earley - Red Dragon Thorn - North Central.

Thats the Elders, board names, and then region.

The only regions without Elders are the Northwest and South Central. Some regions only have one Elder, but most of those usually have other Elders who attend tournaments in that region (I.E. Midwest where Mark usually attends a regional, and the occasional state)

My point remains...some elders are quite far away from states with sizable playgroups...of course that brings into question what a sizable playgroup is, 10, 20, 30, 50+? Does the number of elders balance out the amount of players in the region, I would contest, no.

TheMarti · « **Reply #60 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:51:12 AM »

I agree with Brad on this. Here's the problem in the Northeast right now:

John M- Mass.
Roy - New York
Mike - PA

Mike wasn't at Regionals, I actually don't remember the last time I saw Mike (not angry, I'm just saying, and he's in my home state!). Roy and John are HUNDREDS of miles away and we can't always contact them.

And because we're in such a weird spot in MD, sure, we could defer to Southeast- sounds great, let's try to get in touch with people in GA. Even better!

Not trying to be a jerk, but we're really cut off from everyone in MD, and because we don't have internet access at the church, it's hard for us to look something up. I know we can't have people in every state, but come on, we regularly have 10-15 at a tournament and we just hosted the largest regional in several years.

The M · « **Reply #61 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:53:08 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on June 03, 2011, 02:00:43 AM

Rob - CactusRob - East Central
Chris Bany - cdbany - North Central
John M - faithraider - Northeast
Jordan Alstad - ProfessorAlstad - North Central
Justin Alstad - The Guardian - North Central
Roy Cruz - Reyzen - Northeast
Mark Underwood - Prof Underwood - East Central
Kevin Shride - Kevin Shride - North Central
Mike Berkenpas - frisian9 - Northeast
Tim Maly - SirNobody - North Central
Bryon Hake - Bryon - Southwest
Stephen Schaefer - The Schaef - Midwest
Gabe Isbell - Gabe - North Central
Eric Largent - XeroSplash - Southeast
John Earley - Red Dragon Thorn - North Central.

Thats the Elders, board names, and then region.

The only regions without Elders are the Northwest and South Central. Some regions only have one Elder, but most of those usually have other Elders who attend tournaments in that region (I.E. Midwest where Mark usually attends a regional, and the occasional state)

and some have too many...

Red · « **Reply #62 on:** June 03, 2011, 09:04:52 AM »

No elders in the south east who are active Rob.... And if you had to piuck a player who was active on the boards and was good with the rules you'd have to pick clift or YMT.(I'd say me but obv. not mature enough yet.)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #63 on:** June 03, 2011, 09:40:04 AM »

Quote from: The Marti on June 03, 2011, 08:51:12 AM

Roy and John are HUNDREDS of miles away and we can't always contact them.

But they both came to your Regional tournament. That's what I was originally talking about. Almost every Regional level tournament will have at least 1 Elder present to help out. Of course this is not true at smaller tournaments. That's why Hosts and REP (Real Experienced Players) are sooooo important.

Long-time hosts in the SC like Terry Markoff, and REPs down there (like RedemptionAggie, Ben Shadrick, and Marcus Parker) are GREAT resources for these sorts of questions. And as long as a host is familiar with the old REG, and it's corrections and new rulings, then there's already a framework to go from.

I'm not denying that there have been some good points brought up in this thread. In fact, I'll start a conversation about it on the other side. I'm just saying that they system is really pretty good overall, and people can have a lot of trust in the tournaments that they are going to this summer. There's a lot of people involved in this great game that we all love, and the Elders are only one small part of it

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #64 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:41:06 AM »

While I completely support changes within the elder system (I'm tempted to make a separate thread to outline the few problems I have with it), I don't believe that promoting more elders so that there's a better spread is the answer. However, there is definitely a ridiculously uneven spread there.

Gabe · « **Reply #65 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:52:09 AM »

I would be happy to attend any Regional tournament to provide an elder on site provided the host covers my travel expenses.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #66 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:33:19 AM »

We have called an Elder when disputing a ruling before. I think it's ridiculous to have Elders everywhere, and I already think there's a few too many Elders.

Plus, NorthCentral needs all those Elders, with people like Sauce trying to put a lost soul into battle...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #67 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:58:30 PM »

My issue is that some people seem to have gotten elder status based on factors other than actually knowing the rules. Two elders in particular seems to demonstrate, frequently, even less knowledge of the rules than the average REP.

I understand the argument for not wanting to look like you're "kicking people off," but the fact is there are a few too many elders, and a few elders that really shouldn't have that title.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #68 on:** June 03, 2011, 01:13:41 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on June 03, 2011, 11:33:19 AM

Plus, NorthCentral needs all those Elders, with people like Sauce trying to put a lost soul into battle...

Hey! Kordel hasn't told me I can't, guess who I'm going to ask next? Otherwise all the elders I've ever met told me no.

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Author Topic: a question that came up at ne regionals.... (Read 9147 times)

TheHobbit13

Rawrlolsauce!

Warrior_Monk

TheMarti

Chronic Apathy

Warrior_Monk

Rawrlolsauce!