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Question on "may" abilities
« on: March 09, 2010, 03:12:51 AM »
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Hero has special ability:

"Holder may do X and Y."

Is the holder allowed to do X and not Y?
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 05:15:51 AM »
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Yes. If multiple separate abilities follow a "you may", you choose for each ability whether or not you will use it.

Easiest example is "Holder may interrupt the battle, draw X cards, and play the next enhancement." You can interrupt and play but not draw, you can interrupt and draw but not play, you can draw and play but not interrupt, or you can do any one (or even none) of the abilities.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 09:09:38 AM »
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I think he means if something said, for example, "you may interrupt the battle and all cards in set aside..." could you interrupt the battle but not all cards in set aside? Even if that isn't what he menat, I am asking it now because I am curious.
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 09:54:07 AM »
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I think he means if something said, for example, "you may interrupt the battle and all cards in set aside..." could you interrupt the battle but not all cards in set aside? Even if that isn't what he menat, I am asking it now because I am curious.
In that case, it's only one ability (interrupt) so I think you'd have to do all (as much as possible) or none.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 10:06:55 AM »
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I think he means if something said, for example, "you may interrupt the battle and all cards in set aside..." could you interrupt the battle but not all cards in set aside? Even if that isn't what he menat, I am asking it now because I am curious.
Thank you for asking that question.  It is a perfect time to explain the difference.

Reach is "may (interrupt + draw + play)."  There are 3 separate abilities there.  Using the distributive property: "may interrupt + may draw + may play"

Your sample card is "may interrupt."  That is only one ability (with multiple targets).  You either use that single ability as much as possible or not at all.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 10:53:52 AM »
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Reach is "may (interrupt + draw + play)."  There are 3 separate abilities there.  Using the distributive property: "may interrupt + may draw + may play"

Your sample card is "may interrupt."  That is only one ability (with multiple targets).  You either use that single ability as much as possible or not at all.

Thank you for answering this question.  It was a perfect explanation of the difference. ;)

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 10:56:41 AM »
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Reach is "may (interrupt + draw + play)."  There are 3 separate abilities there.  Using the distributive property: "may interrupt + may draw + may play"

Your sample card is "may interrupt."  That is only one ability (with multiple targets).  You either use that single ability as much as possible or not at all.
Thanks for the answer. :) Not that I'm arguing, but I just don't quite understand why "may (interrupt + draw + play)" = "may interrupt + may draw + may play" when "may interrupt (battle + set-aside)" ≠ "may interrupt battle + may interrupt set-aside."

In other words, "may (do x + do y + do z)" = "may do x + may do y + may do z," but "may do x to (a + b)" ≠ "may do x to a + may do x to b"?
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 11:00:52 AM by BubbleBoy »
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 11:01:36 AM »
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The word (and) need to be changed to (o)r on some of those cards. Like you may interrupt and may play an enhancement is played you choose which one you want to do choose to interrupt or play an enhancement needs to be changed to (or) so it doesn't sound like you can do both.
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 11:06:18 AM »
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The word (and) need to be changed to (o)r on some of those cards. Like you may interrupt and may play an enhancement is played you choose which one you want to do choose to interrupt or play an enhancement needs to be changed to (or) so it doesn't sound like you can do both.

Um...no. Most people do both, as they very well can. What makes you think it should be or?
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 11:09:34 AM »
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Never mind i didnt understand the second post i thought they were saying if it says may twice you can only choose one or the 2 effects on the card.
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 11:12:18 AM »
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Thank you for asking that question.  

Thank you for answering this question. 

Thanks for the answer.

Wow!  All in the same thread.  That's a lot of gratitude.   :)
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 11:13:17 AM »
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Thank you for asking that question.  

Thank you for answering this question. 

Thanks for the answer.

Wow!  All in the same thread.  That's a lot of gratitude.   :)

Thanks for pointing that out!
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 03:54:12 PM »
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Obviously our Ruling Question threads are getting too civil.  I miss the good ol' fashion sarcastic, condescending posts.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 04:40:49 PM »
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Obviously our Ruling Question threads are getting too civil.  I miss the good ol' fashion sarcastic, condescending posts.

That's because you're too immature to appreciate gratitude. If perhaps you had any intelligence, you might understand that being nice is a good thing.

How's that for you?
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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 04:46:25 PM »
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Obviously our Ruling Question threads are getting too civil.  I miss the good ol' fashion sarcastic, condescending posts.
Thanks a lot for ruining the mood.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 05:50:42 PM »
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Now that's more like it! :)

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2010, 02:51:52 AM »
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Reach is "may (interrupt + draw + play)."  There are 3 separate abilities there.  Using the distributive property: "may interrupt + may draw + may play"

Your sample card is "may interrupt."  That is only one ability (with multiple targets).  You either use that single ability as much as possible or not at all.
Thanks for the answer. :) Not that I'm arguing, but I just don't quite understand why "may (interrupt + draw + play)" = "may interrupt + may draw + may play" when "may interrupt (battle + set-aside)" ≠ "may interrupt battle + may interrupt set-aside."

In other words, "may (do x + do y + do z)" = "may do x + may do y + may do z," but "may do x to (a + b)" ≠ "may do x to a + may do x to b"?
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to further clarify.  :)

Your explanations are correct.  The "why" is simply because that is how "may" before multiples has been defined.  May before multiple abilities means may for each ability.  May before a single ability with multiple targets means may single ability "as much as possible."

I suppose it helps keep clear mass target cards.  It clarifies that "may discard all cards in hand" is not the same as "may discard any number of cards in hand."  A "may" before a single ability with multiple targets means choose yes or no, then, if yes, apply it as much as possible.

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Re: Question on "may" abilities
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 08:45:18 AM »
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In other words, "may (do x + do y + do z)" = "may do x + may do y + may do z," but "may do x to (a + b)" ≠ "may do x to a + may do x to b"?
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to further clarify.  :)

Your explanations are correct.  The "why" is simply because that is how "may" before multiples has been defined.  May before multiple abilities means may for each ability.  May before a single ability with multiple targets means may single ability "as much as possible."
Thank you for taking this opportunity to further clarify.  :)



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