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Throne of David and Arrogance
« on: May 29, 2010, 02:05:51 PM »
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Throne of David has caused much grief. Could someone please explain to me who gets to do what first. Say if i block King Solomon with King Zimri - Do i get to use King Zimri's ability first? Or if i go with Nebby do i get to pull out an enhancement and defeat that hero? I am very confused
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 02:12:45 PM by fyero »
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Re: Throne of David
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 02:08:44 PM »
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Evil character abilities activate before Throne of David lets the opponent play a card, so if you were to block with Proud Pharisee, you could play an enhancement before Throne of David.

They also activate before cards such as Angel's Sword or Helmet of Brass. Cards such as Two-Thousand Horses also activate before Angel's Sword

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Re: Throne of David
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2010, 02:10:00 PM »
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I'd say special ability trumps whatever the fort does. It's like helmet of brass correct? Play enhancement when blocked? If you block someone with helmet of brass with say.... Shadow, you can play a Snare enhancement because of special ability. This is just how I play. Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Schaef.
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Re: Throne of David
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2010, 02:12:30 PM »
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Hmmm well thank you that is what i thought but my brother did not agree with me. Oh and i have one more question - If i play arrogance and then i play a capture to my opponent in battle can he play anything or does he get captured and then i can play something else and he cant do anything about it?
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2010, 02:15:56 PM »
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Thats a whole different debate. I've asked before as well, but I forget the final ruling on that one.

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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2010, 02:22:25 PM »
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If i play arrogance and then i play a capture to my opponent in battle can he play anything or does he get captured and then i can play something else and he cant do anything about it?

I believe your opponent has a chance to Interrupt the Battle as long as your capture is not a CBN capture and you are done playing enhancements.
Also, it helps to post the abilities of the cards being referenced.

Arrogance
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may play as many evil enhancements as desired. Initiative passes when holder is done playing enhancements. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon, Connected with David • Verse: I Samuel 17:43-44 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)



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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 02:27:19 PM »
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He can interrupt/ negate the capture after arrogance ends.
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2010, 03:12:17 PM »
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what if i captured him and then played another enhancement could he do anything then?
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 09:30:30 PM »
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what if i captured him and then played another enhancement could he do anything then?
He could not play a "negate last" enhancement to stop the capture, because the capture wasn't the last enhancement.  But he could play a "negate all" enhancement or even a "negate one enhancement in battle" enhancement.

Of course you could just finish your sequence of cards played after arrogance with something that ends the battle.  Then he can't do anything :)

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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 09:37:49 PM »
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That is why most of the new enhancements are negate last.
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 09:48:35 PM »
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 10:45:38 PM »
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Of course you could just finish your sequence of cards played after arrogance with something that ends the battle.  Then he can't do anything :)
This made me think of an Arrogance question: What if I choose the rescuer in an Arrogance chain and end with a battle-ender? Does the hero's ability ever activate?
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 10:50:20 PM »
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I'm not if the new rescuer would actually enter battle until you are finished with arrogance.

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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2010, 11:55:54 PM »
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I'm not if the new rescuer would actually enter battle until you are finished with arrogance.
In that case, would any of the cards played with Arrogance actually ever activate if a battle-ender was played? That doesn't make sense at all...
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 12:09:33 AM »
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ok so i'm just a wee bit confused here. I thought that if my opponent rescues and i played arrogance I would be able to play all sorts of enhancements but if I played an enh. that caused the hero to be removed from battle that would  end the continuing  initiative of arrogances ability and the hero could negate it(i was trying to find a thread about it because i could have swore i posted that question before but i can't find it) am I wrong in thinking that?
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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 01:25:55 AM »
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I'm not if the new rescuer would actually enter battle until you are finished with arrogance.
Arrogance only grants unlimited initiative.  It doesn't stop instant abilities from occurring.  If you played a CTB card to cause someone to enter battle, then I would think that they would enter battle and their special ability would activate.  Then it would go back to being your initiative again and you could play another enhancement.

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Re: Throne of David and Arrogance
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2010, 08:29:55 AM »
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I'm not if the new rescuer would actually enter battle until you are finished with arrogance.
Arrogance only grants unlimited initiative.  It doesn't stop instant abilities from occurring.  If you played a CTB card to cause someone to enter battle, then I would think that they would enter battle and their special ability would activate.  Then it would go back to being your initiative again and you could play another enhancement.
Okay, now I'm confused. I thought Arrogance worked differently. Do the enhancements really activate before you are done with Arrogance? I thought that you had to wait until you were done playing stuff with Arrogance until activating the abilities used on it, and then you would treat the enhancements sort of like they were all played at the same time (although they would still activate in order).
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