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Question 1 - My opponent attacks me, I block with Salome, who then bands to Herod Agrippa II.  My opponent converts Salome to a hero.  Can I capture her with Herod Agrippa II's ability?  Based on this REG quote I think the answer is yes:

A converted character in an illegal situation must withdraw to its owners territory (e.g., a Hero blocking a rescue attempt resulting from an Evil Character being converted).

Herod Agrippa II (TP)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Negate protect abilities on Fortresses. If a Hero withdraws from battle, you may capture it. May band to a Sadducee. Cannot be negated.

Question 2 - If Salome is converted and later captured, can I use Rash Oath on her?  The quote from the REG below also makes me think the answer is yes:

The character remains converted even if set aside, captured, or rescued.

Rash Oath (TP)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 1 / 2 • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Discard a captured Hero to discard the top card of each opponent’s deck (or top 2 if used by a Herod). Put Lost Souls in play instead.

YMT is correct on both counts.

"Withdraw" as a term in Redemption is a specific type of ability. Salome isn't withdrawing any more than a character that is discarded "withdraws" to the discard pile. That's how I see it anyway. Other elders can chime in if necessary.

That's a completely different scenario because a discard creates an abnormal location destination. It seems to me that anything that allows a character to return to a territory for any reason without harm before battle resolution should be a withdraw for the purposes of HAII.

"The withdraw special ability either allows a charac­ter to exit battle unharmed or it forces an opposing character to leave the battle unharmed. Once a character withdraws from bat­tle, the character may not reenter battle during the same turn."

Seems like Converstion would have an implied version of the bolded text due to game rule.

Two things: If Salome is targeted by a good convert, she is not unharmed. Secondly, when she becomes a Hero, she is no longer an opposing character. So I really don't think it applies here.

I've always viewed it as the converted character was dazed and confused, trying to figure out the magnificance of their new faith. They just wandered into their territory by chance.

Of course, if they were converted by a Baptist, then they were heading up to the altar to meet with the Pastor, shuffled by a member of the congregation who was peeking when the Pastor said, "If you prayed that special prayer, then raise your hand quickly for me, with no one looking around."