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« Reply #300 on: May 26, 2010, 06:21:55 PM »
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Cannot be Ignored would make complete sense if we just rewrote ignore so it targeted characters for the cannot enter battle part of the ability.

That's an issue for the ones working on the phrasing for the new REG.   I don't think they'll be keen on the idea of being able to block from hand when ignored.

Thats yet another reason why I so adamantly support changing that one rule. Preblock ignore would still be powerful, but it'd only keep dudes in territory from entering. If you block from hand, they would enter battle, and instantly be ignored. So, just simply blocking would not stop a rescue, you still need to STOP the RA in some way. TBH, I think that'd be a HUGE improvement for ignores. I realize this is a totally different issue from the discussion at hand, but that's what I think should be done.

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« Reply #301 on: May 27, 2010, 01:42:50 PM »
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Glad to get this resolved finally.  It turns out that what is keeping the banding heroes out of battle is not ECs (because there aren't any in play), but is actually the field of battle itself.  HHI is protecting the field of battle from having banding heroes enter it.  Therefore, HHI protects the "field of battle" in the same way that RTC protects "Jacob" from ECs of a certain brigade from blocking him.  Therefore, we end up with this:

Jacob + Reuben's Torn Clothes
SA source = enhancement
card/place whose protection keeps ignored cards out of battle = Jacob
target card = chosen evil brigade ECs
if Jacob is eliminated, then chosen evil brigade can block again

HHI
SA source = artifact
card/place whose protection keeps ignored cards out of battle = field of battle
target card = all banding heroes
since the field of battle CAN'T be eliminated, banding heroes can NEVER enter battle

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Re: You took away my highway. I'm simply returning the favor.
« Reply #302 on: May 27, 2010, 02:57:44 PM »
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I never said ECs were keeping Heroes out of battle, and made great effort to dispel that notion.

The "source" in your examples is nothing more than the card with the special ability. (The first thing I said)
"The card/place" you mention is the target of the effect. (The second thing I said).  In the case where an ignoring Hero is specified, it's really just a secondary condition and not a true target.
Your "target card" is a misnomer; that is the condition of the effect (the third thing I said).
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 03:00:52 PM by The Schaef »

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« Reply #303 on: May 27, 2010, 03:03:28 PM »
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Glad to get this resolved finally.
So much for that.
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« Reply #304 on: May 27, 2010, 03:21:02 PM »
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Glad to get this resolved finally.
So much for that.
Nah, it's still resolved.  Schaef can word it however he wants.  But the way Bryon worded it fits into the other way of thinking that several other people were trying to understand.  So we now know WHY it works the way that it does.

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« Reply #305 on: May 27, 2010, 03:22:36 PM »
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It's resolved, I just don't see the point of all this.  The "source" of an effect will ALWAYS be the special ability, and therefore ALWAYS the card that has it.

The "resolution" is to treat the field of battle as a pseudo-target, but I don't think it's hard to imagine why I wouldn't start talking about treating portions of the table as pseudo-targets, another unwritten rule of the game, without being able to point at a REG entry or something.

Neither am I wording it "however I want".  I am using the terms "card", "ability", "effect", "target" and "condition" which have meaning in the context of the game and the rules.  That's a necessary framework for consistency in establishing and properly keeping the rules.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 03:29:19 PM by The Schaef »

 


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