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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Minister Polarius on September 28, 2010, 01:47:32 AM
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Why are these SA's identifiers? They're clearly "increase" SA's and they don't even define */* at all.
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Adding on to this (As it came up in a game between the two of us)
If The Testimony actually IS nothing but a long identifier, does the permanent increase work in FBTN?
The Testimony (Ki)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: * / * • Class: None • Special Ability: Selected Hero gains 7 ability points to be distributed as holder chooses until Hero is discarded. Distribution must be announced when played. • Errata: (Treat special ability as an identifier.) • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 11:12 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Common)
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Adding on to this (As it came up in a game between the two of us)
If The Testimony actually IS nothing but a long identifier, does the permanent increase work in FBTN?
The Testimony (Ki)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: * / * • Class: None • Special Ability: Selected Hero gains 7 ability points to be distributed as holder chooses until Hero is discarded. Distribution must be announced when played. • Errata: (Treat special ability as an identifier.) • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 11:12 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Common)
It seems that it would, since no distinction is made between but I've always heard that it doesn't. If The Testimony were printed today, I doubt it would have the stars (or even X's for that matter), just a special ability the same as it is currently written.
Another question: Since we have Samson's Sacrifice (8/-1) as a precedent for negative abilities, could I make my 6/6 hero 18/1 by making the Testimony points distributed as 12/-5? or perhaps my 6/12 Hero 24/1 (Testimony = 18/-11)? ::) I doubt that would be allowed, but methinks the card needs some serious erratafication.
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In regards to Profalstad's question, it says "gains 7 points", and I don't believe negative numbers are "gains", so I don't think that would work. Though it would be cool if it did :P.
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In regards to Profalstad's question, it says "gains 7 points", and I don't believe negative numbers are "gains", so I don't think that would work. Though it would be cool if it did :P.
It would be a pain if there wasn't any "gains", but I would have to agree with Browarod on this.
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Hey,
The original explanation for Answered Prayer was that "(until discarded)" was a special ability and the rest of the words on the card were an identifier. I'd guess that that distinction was lost when the notes in the card list were removed and when the */* special ability page was removed. I'd say the original explanation is still the correct way to play the card.
And no you don't get to distribute any negative ability points with these abilities. Both the strength and toughness must be >= 0.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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But the SA, Identifier, whatever it is doesn't define *, it's just a regular gain ability.