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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2009, 06:30:42 PM »
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This is the point where I would usually say check the REG, but alas it is not there.

Here's what it is:

3/3 Green GE

Shuffle all Artifacts of each opponent into owner's decks. You may play the next enhancement. Cannot be negated.

It was 'supposed' to shuffle all Artifact piles, but it really only affects active arts, since face down cards can't be targeted unless specified.

The ruling was bad for Split Altar, but great for Syrian defense players like myself---See King Hazael.
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2009, 06:58:28 PM »
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The ruling was bad for Split Altar, but great for Syrian defense players like myself---See King Hazael.

...couldn't the opposing player simply activate another artifact on his turn before his attack, thus circumventing the fort/site discard?
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2009, 07:04:35 PM »
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I'm not sure what you mean. When you block with King Hazael, the opponent has to d/c either the chosen Fort/Site or a discard an Artifact. According to the Split Altar ruling, it has to be a face up artifact. So they have to either d/c their active art, or the site/fortress.
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2009, 07:53:52 PM »
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what im saying is that yes, you can shuffle their active art with split alter when you make a rescue attempt...but they will still have the oppurtunity to activate another artifact on their own turn before they make a rescue attempt against you...meaning if you block with king hazael, they can still discard their artifact, and not the fort or site you chose.
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2009, 08:30:24 PM »
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This is the point where I would usually say check the REG, but alas it is not there.

Here's what it is:

3/3 Green GE

Shuffle all Artifacts of each opponent into owner's decks. You may play the next enhancement. Cannot be negated.

It was 'supposed' to shuffle all Artifact piles, but it really only affects active arts, since face down cards can't be targeted unless specified.

The ruling was bad for Split Altar, but great for Syrian defense players like myself---See King Hazael.

Couldn't they add an erata to Split Altar to allow it to play as it was intended?

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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2009, 08:32:28 PM »
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This is the point where I would usually say check the REG, but alas it is not there.

Here's what it is:

3/3 Green GE

Shuffle all Artifacts of each opponent into owner's decks. You may play the next enhancement. Cannot be negated.

It was 'supposed' to shuffle all Artifact piles, but it really only affects active arts, since face down cards can't be targeted unless specified.

The ruling was bad for Split Altar, but great for Syrian defense players like myself---See King Hazael.

Couldn't they add an erata to Split Altar to allow it to play as it was intended?
They could.  But the ruling is clear; Split Altar does not touch face down arts.

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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2009, 09:25:40 PM »
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what im saying is that yes, you can shuffle their active art with split alter when you make a rescue attempt...but they will still have the oppurtunity to activate another artifact on their own turn before they make a rescue attempt against you...meaning if you block with king hazael, they can still discard their artifact, and not the fort or site you chose.

Oh...I didn't mean that someone could use Split Altar and then Hazael, I meant that because of the Split Altar ruling (a card that says Artifact only targets active arts) means that the opponent can't d/c a face down art to satisfy his ability. Otherwise he would be far less powerful.
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2009, 09:28:08 PM »
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This is the point where I would usually say check the REG, but alas it is not there.

Here's what it is:

3/3 Green GE

Shuffle all Artifacts of each opponent into owner's decks. You may play the next enhancement. Cannot be negated.

It was 'supposed' to shuffle all Artifact piles, but it really only affects active arts, since face down cards can't be targeted unless specified.

The ruling was bad for Split Altar, but great for Syrian defense players like myself---See King Hazael.

Couldn't they add an erata to Split Altar to allow it to play as it was intended?
They could.  But the ruling is clear; Split Altar does not touch face down arts.

Cool beans.

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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2009, 09:31:41 PM »
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Cool beans.

Where did that phrase come from anyway? I never eat beans, but do people really like them better when they are cool rather than hot/warm? When you are unhappy, do you say "Warm Beans!"
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Re: Elders of Jerusalem/Praises/Blessings
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2009, 04:41:41 AM »
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Cool beans.

Where did that phrase come from anyway? I never eat beans, but do people really like them better when they are cool rather than hot/warm? When you are unhappy, do you say "Warm Beans!"

You know, I really don't know. All I know is that I have/had two friends (who didn't know each other and from different states) who used that phrase, and I guess it kind of stuck.

 


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