Author Topic: The Destroyer and Grapes of Wrath  (Read 985 times)

Offline birukfm

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The Destroyer and Grapes of Wrath
« on: July 25, 2014, 07:50:42 PM »
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The destroyer comes into battle and kills an evil character from territory and due to that he will be removed from the game after battle and his opponent uses an evil character from hand to block. Then if grapes is played during the battle phase,

does the destroyer is shuffled into deck due to the ability of grapes, then does the battle end?

or does the destroyer get removed no matter what? 

if he gets removed what about times when Nabal would have been discarded after battle due to him getting a good card and gets under-decked before the battle ends?

in the same context what about the assyrian archer with two thousand horses kills somebody and ends the battle but his ability doesn't kick in so he doesn't die?

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Re: The Destroyer and Grapes of Wrath
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 09:02:19 PM »
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In the case of The Destroyer, the ability is:

"Negate the protect ability on an evil Fortress. You may discard a silver Enhancement from hand to discard an Evil Character in a territory. Then, remove this Hero from the game after battle."

This scenario is very similar to cards like an Archer that are removed from play before end of battle, in that it is not an instead, it is something that targets after the battle.  If The Destroyer is not in play after the battle (since that is the scope of default targeting), he is not removed by the ability.  In this case, he is shuffled by Grapes.

Nabal is the same scenario.

The Archer scenario is a explained in the link I provided without horses, but WITH horses what happens is that the interrupt the battle also interrupts all ongoing abilities (Archer's self-discard is ongoing), but not the discard of a hero (which is instant).  Since the play ability on horses happens while the abilities are suspended, if you end the battle by using the play, the suspended abilities have no chance to activate (they cannot reactivate once the battle is over).  Archer would not be discarded in that scenario.

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Re: The Destroyer and Grapes of Wrath
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 12:09:24 PM »
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Thank you.
PS if the destroyer is shuffled does his ability reset.

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Re: The Destroyer and Grapes of Wrath
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 12:43:06 PM »
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PS if the destroyer is shuffled does his ability reset.

That is correct. All special abilities reset in the draw pile, except those that specify they have a "per game" limitation.
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