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In a Multi Player game. Player A attacks with a Provisioned Hero causing player B to defend with a evil character he has nothing to play on. Player C reveals an evil character from The Darkness but also has Wall of Protection up. Can player B use the Evil charactor revealed in The Darkness?

The Darkness
Type: Fortress • Special Ability: Place an Evil Character from hand face down here. If an opponent begins a rescue attempt and chooses a blocker (or is unblocked), you may reveal this evil character. Blocking player may add it to the battle. Otherwise return it face down.

Wall of Protection
Type: Fortress   • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Place this site in your territory. Characters in your territory are protected from being brought into battle by an opponent.

I would say yes but due to the wording on Darkness some one higher up might say else wise.

I would say no. the Darkness says "Blocking player may add it to battle" and Wall says that "No character in your territory may be brought into battle by your opponent." and if the blocking player is technically your opponent, then he can't bring him in.

Well, I certainly would not have even thought about my own WoP if I flipped my own character in The Darkness, but I would have to agree with Ring Wraith. The Darkness says "Blocking player may add it to the battle," and WoP says "Characters in your territory are protected from being brought into battle by an opponent." In this case, the blocking player is an opponent (key word "an"), so I would rule that the EC could not be brought in.

I would rule the opposite, Your opponent  is not bringing them into battle, you are placing them into battle using your abilities.  WOP does not stop you from adding EC's to battle.

yes, your opponent is the one bringing them in. "Blocking Player may add to battle" thus your opponent is the one who adds it to battle. he is able to add it to battle because of your card, but the blocking player is ultimately the one who chooses to bring it to battle.

I gotta say since the ability was activated by the owner of wop he is the one who is placing it into battle.

The Darkness says "Blocking player may add it to the battle," and WoP says "Characters in your territory are protected from being brought into battle by an opponent." In this case, the blocking player is an opponent (key word "an"), so I would rule that the EC could not be brought in.

YMT is correct.

"Protect" does not protect from actions; it protects from abilities. Your opponent is not using an ability to bring your character into battle, you are, because your card is the one being used. The blocker must agree whether to use the ability, but that does not make it his ability.

the blocker is the one using the ability. at least, the second part of it.

I'm pretty sure that for Redemption purposes, no one can technically use the ability on an opponent's card. A player can only use his cards, and no one else can use the ability on your cards, no matter how oddly they are worded. I'll bring up my previously completely ignored example once again:

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 27, 2010, 11:31:59 AM

Would Jerusalem Tower prevent a card that says "opponent must discard the top card of his deck"?

The Darkness would be an exception to the rule. it's an allowence, not a force play.

I'm pretty sure that for Redemption purposes, no one can technically use the ability on an opponent's card. A player can only use his cards, and no one else can use the ability on your cards, no matter how oddly they are worded.

Cards like Garden Tomb, Asherah Pole, and Golden Calf would indicate otherwise.

I'll bring up my previously completely ignored example once again:

If you want a faster response, then post the abilities.

Would Jerusalem Tower prevent a card that says "opponent must discard the top card of his deck"?

No, it would not. This would be true also for "place" cards that have a similar ability (Pagan Sacrifices, I think).

I hope you realize that these are bad examples without me having to explain it.

Nope. You'll have to explain it.

If you have Asherah Pole active and rescue with an OT hero, then my evil enhancements are CBN. How is that not me using your card's ability?

Asherah Pole

Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When blocking any O.T. Hero, evil enhancements cannot be negated. Discard if Gideon, King Asa, King Hezekiah, or King Josiah enters battle. • Play As: When any player is blocking an O.T. Hero, evil enhancements cannot be negated. Discard if Gideon, King Asa, King Hezekiah, or King Josiah enters battle.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 27, 2010, 10:04:13 PM

I hope you realize that these are bad examples without me having to explain it.

Nope. You'll have to explain it.

If you have Asherah Pole active and rescue with an OT hero, then my evil enhancements are CBN. How is that not me using your card's ability?

You are not using my card. I am using my card to affect your cards. There is a tremendous difference. Regardless of whether my ability is helping you ultimately, it is still my ability, and you are not the one using it.

According to your logic, using an enhancement to discard an opponent's character would be considered them using your ability.

I still don't get why the "Opponent may" doesn't solve this problem right now... clearly, the card is allowing you to let your opponent use it.
if Bryon or Mike could chime in, it'd clear up a lot...