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just wanted to get an official ruling on this: if i use the branch on elders of the city, does that mean after i make a successful rescue, i can place 2 evil characters in my opponents land of bondage?

The Branch
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: A male Hero's abilities increase by fifty percent of the value printed on the Hero card. • Identifiers: OT, Based on Prophecy • Verse: Zechariah 6:12 • Availability: Prophets booster packs (Uncommon)

Elders of the City
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 6 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: After a successful rescue attempt, place one Evil Character just defeated into your opponent's Land of Bondage. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human • Verse: Ruth 4:2 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)

Yeah, abilities are the numbers, not the Special Ability.

the tipoff on branch is "increase"... you cant increase a special ability. TTL however, says that abilities cannot be negated... and */* cant be made CBN.

the tipoff on branch is "increase"... you cant increase a special ability.

um, why?

Quote from: Master KChief on December 19, 2009, 02:50:29 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on December 19, 2009, 02:40:20 PM

the tipoff on branch is "increase"... you cant increase a special ability.

um, why?

Increase captian of the host by 50%. uhmm... or how about faithful servent, do you protect 150% of the lost souls in play from shuffle?

Increasing a special ability makes less than 4% sense.

is a special ability without a number a 'value'?  no? ok.

i know, i brought it up again looking for an official answer. i see no reason that branch couldnt work if ttl works.

Hey,

The Branch has an increase/decrease ability.  Increase/decrease abilities affect strength and toughness.  The Thankful Leper has a can't be negated ability.  Can't be negated abilities affect special abilities.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

This is exactly what I was getting at with my post above.

you can increase/decrease numbers. parmenas/elders have numbers in their special abilities.

Increase/Decrease is a special ability that has defined rules. They only affect strength and toughness, not numbers in general. From the REG:

Ongoing Abilities > Increase or Decrease Ability > General Description

These cards increase or decrease the ability (strength and toughness) of characters in a prescribed way.

OK. But in the mean time, the rest of us will use the REG definition of Increase/Decrease special abilities to make our rulings. In this case, you now have a 9/6 Elders of the City who, if he has a successful RA, will place one EC in your opponent's LoB.

Here's the full text:

REG > Ongoing Abilities > Increase or Decrease Ability
General Description
These cards increase or decrease the ability (strength and toughness) of characters in a prescribed way.  The increase or decrease is a fixed number.  Some cards may affect more than one character.  The increase or decrease lasts until the end of the battle unless specified otherwise (i.e. end of turn).  After the battle, the characters not discarded in battle return to the territory with their original ability.  See Greater Worth on page 5 for cards that increase at a variable rate, the rate dependent on other conditions.

The parenthesis defines "ability" in this REG entry.

Here's the full text:

REG > Ongoing Abilities > Increase or Decrease Ability
General Description
These cards increase or decrease the ability (strength and toughness) of characters in a prescribed way.  The increase or decrease is a fixed number.  Some cards may affect more than one character.  The increase or decrease lasts until the end of the battle unless specified otherwise (i.e. end of turn).  After the battle, the characters not discarded in battle return to the territory with their original ability.  See Greater Worth on page 5 for cards that increase at a variable rate, the rate dependent on other conditions.

The parenthesis defines "ability" in this REG entry.

again, this only explains how to increase and decrease strength and toughness.

I just have to say, how on earth can you increase a verb?

what are you talking about?

how can you affect one and a half cards?

you tell me, how can you?

What is your line of reasoning for something like that?

irrelevant. if it works, it works, if it doesnt, then it doesnt. parmenas would get to draw 3 cards if this worked. however, this is a moot point since maly chimed in...sooooo...

i did not say the branch increased all special abilities. i suggested the branch could increase a numerical value on a card, of which elders and parmenas both have. clauses such as 'negate all special abilities' and 'discard a giant' do not have values.

not a printed numerical value, as the branch suggests. how do you increase 'a' by 50%?