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Satan's Seat. A little appreciated/used card (Before disciples) from FOOF.

My argument is that Stan's Chair is a counter, not a check, because it works against a large number of good offenses.

many people will disagree on this point; satans chair has been reduced down to nigh-useless as it essentially has become a check and not a hard counter. there are far better hard counters in the game that have far better potential than just singling out a specific (severely small) subgroup of cards. read: com, golden calf, etc. what makes you think people would actually use satan's seat if they havent used it in the past? i believe games favor the decks that contain cards that are useful in 99% of situations. satans seat is not one of those cards. satans seat, at best, is a complete sideboard card.

To reiterate:
The old Genesis/Romans hand discard model is outdated and bad. A good "Genesis" offense now should include Job and be paired with a faster defense than Romans.

disagree. as stated before, job breaks the synergy between gen staples such as zeb and benjamin, and a novelty card is not worth the extra deck slot for a kerith ravine imo.

Purple Royalty is near useless on it's own (thanks Golgotha!), and Zeal has been severely neutered (thanks, HT!)

its amusing how you think nt defenses paired with golgotha and ht are somehow 100% staples for todays metas, which, might i add, are largely undetermined at this point.

I'll give you that Anna is a little redundant with Caves, but the fact remains there's a Hero in a Prophets offense that will be affected by Stan's Chair.

but it wasnt included in your must-use-these-cards-if-you-want-to-win list, so there was never any argument there to begin with.

Z-Temple is not good any more. You need to do Teal or lose (thanks HT!).

ztemple still remains good. what you confuse with 'not good any more' is actually 'playability of ztemple is low now because people tend to flock towards the newest seemingly uber-powerful theme/strategy in the latest released set' *cough cough tgt, disciples*.

So yes, you're correct that the specific strats you listed don't use Heroes that would be affected by Stan's chair (except for the fact that you admitted you missed Phinehas and Anna and then said this:)

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none of the strats i named uses any of the cards you listed, which i thought was the entire point

and again, once more with conviction:

none of the strats i named uses any of the cards you listed, which i thought was the entire point

i did not say the strats i listed do not use heroes that satans seat would not affect. i said the strats i listed do not use the heroes you listed.

But...those are either post-Apostles strats that are outdated...

im curious to know what your definition of 'outdated' is. if by 'outdated' you mean hardly any new support from newer expansions, i can think of at least one 'outdated' strat that would still tremendously own today since its largely unchecked right now in todays meta.
 

Even then, it's not totally dead: at the very worst, this card is a Thirty Pieces of Silver that only works if you actually give up a soul, can be used up to four times (normally), and doesn't take up your Art slot.

i can give you satans seat has greater scope than 30 pieces, but 30 pieces is a horrible card to begin with. in this line of thinking, its like saying mildewed house is great too. i cannot hardly view any card that has an effect that is triggered only by giving up a lost soul to be any good at all. even if it has some uber-awasome effect, the bottom line is you gave up a lost soul to do it, and discarding a hero (of which 99% of decks have many, many more to rescue with...or, as you put it, 'thanks, ht!') cannot somehow mitigate the severity of that loss.

tl;dr: satans seat will remain a largely nigh-useless, unused card.

A Watchful Servant deck will lose before the opponent is decked.  Unless your opponent is silly and isn't using JT or Simon the Zealot.  Or unless your opponent is REALLY silly and is using a deck with fewer than 63 cards.  

Lol.

So far my WS deck (with three Heroes, Ahimaaz, ET, and WS) has only faced one deck with JT, and it was quickly dispatched by my Spreading Mildew. It's faced plenty of decks with Simon the Zealot and Four-Drachma Coin, but Herod's Dungeon takes care of the former, and DoN/Captured Ark the latter (or my opponent just activates it to discard it with Peter, serving my purposes even better).

Also, it went 4-1 at yesterday's local, losing only to the eventual winner, The Hobbit, and earning me second. Two of the decks I played were   63-carders. WS is a beast.

Quote from: Bryon on October 03, 2010, 12:28:55 AM

A Watchful Servant deck will lose before the opponent is decked.  Unless your opponent is silly and isn't using JT or Simon the Zealot.  Or unless your opponent is REALLY silly and is using a deck with fewer than 63 cards.  

Lol.

So far my WS deck (with three Heroes, Ahimaaz, ET, and WS) has only faced one deck with JT, and it was quickly dispatched by my Spreading Mildew. It's faced plenty of decks with Simon the Zealot and Four-Drachma Coin, but Herod's Dungeon takes care of the former, and DoN/Captured Ark the latter (or my opponent just activates it to discard it with Peter, serving my purposes even better).

Also, it went 4-1 at yesterday's local, losing only to the eventual winner, The Hobbit, and earning me second. Two of the decks I played were   63-carders. WS is a beast.

JT? Good to hear you did well, I knew it's not dead. I'd love to compare deck lists with you. Would you be down with that?

so the benedictus is one turn of free reign with ws. what about subsequent turns?

how odd i just happen to play all of those lol

you could throw in Faith as a Mustard Seed too with ET

That would be helpful if Golgotha had to be occupied to work...but it doesn't, sadly enough. Anyone using Golgotha won't be silly enough to occupy it, especially against a hero-lite deck, as 90% of cards that target sites target occupied sites only.