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Offline Redoubter

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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2013, 08:47:36 PM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit on July 17, 2013, 07:54:47 PM
I think red is saying that, for example, you can grapes or angel Philistine Garrison but you cannot do that to FW. But functionally they do the same thing the only difference is that, in this case, FW has a larger range. Generally you can use dominants on immune characters as they are only immune to heroes. Prince of Persia is an exception though  and would do the same thing if it was protected from dominants.

That doesn't actually cause any problem, because while they generally refer to different card types, they mean the exact same thing.  If a card said it was immune to opponent's cards, it would still not be affected by their dominants.

That is the point I'm trying to get across, that it doesn't matter if you used one word or the other, they do precisely the same thing, regardless of what cards they are normally used with.
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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2013, 11:34:42 PM »
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Unless protect gets changed (or possibly Immune) I would suggest that Immune no longer has to be a separate ability from Protect (and cards shouldn't say "Immune" anymore and instead use Protect exclusively.
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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2013, 09:49:06 AM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit on July 17, 2013, 07:54:47 PM
I think red is saying that, for example, you can grapes or angel Philistine Garrison but you cannot do that to FW. But functionally they do the same thing the only difference is that, in this case, FW has a larger range. Generally you can use dominants on immune characters as they are only immune to heroes. Prince of Persia is an exception though  and would do the same thing if it was protected from dominants.

Magicians' Snakes as well:

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Your magicians and Egyptians are immune to all Heroes and Dominants while this card is in battle. Cannot be prevented.

So, you can be immune to dominants and protected from dominants. No real difference there.
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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2013, 10:58:53 AM »
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Immune should be for abilities and numbers and protect should be for abilities but not numbers but I lost that argument a long time ago
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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2013, 12:12:42 PM »
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I had a thought earlier today:

What if Immune was a subcategory of Protect?

Protect could be defined as an ability that stops other abilities from targeting the protected card.

Immunity would be an extended form of Protect (so all the same rules apply) that also protects from the numbers on cards.

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Re: Thaddeus versus Foreign Wives
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2013, 08:07:31 PM »
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I agree, either Protect and Immune should be the same ability or they should mean different things.  The way that would least upset gameplay would be to set them equal, since it would only change the legal targets of cards that negate/are-regardless-of protect or immune right now.

The third component of this that I mentioned earlier is Ignore:

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An ignore ability has four parts:
1. it grants the ignoring card immunity to all cards being ignored
2. it grants the ignored cards immunity to the ignoring card
3. characters not in battle and ignored cannot enter battle (i.e., you cannot choose to bring them into battle and they cannot be targeted by an ability that would bring them into battle)
4. characters already in battle and ignored are treated as though they were not in battle for purposes of determining battle outcome

However, this is not an immune ability it is an ignore ability, and cannot be targeted as the former.  Perhaps that is how it should be, but honestly, it is kind of odd that we have 3 different abilities granting the exact same level of protection and none of them can be targeted as the others.
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