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Thaddeus vs. Heretics: Can cards be protected from being protected?

Chariots of the Sun's "play as" (protect that Solomon's Temple from the protect ability of Glory of the Lord) leads me to believe yes.

Thaddeus vs. Sabbath Breaker: Can cards be protected from being drawn?

I can't really think of a precedent on that one.

Thaddeus vs. Heretics: Can cards be protected from being protected?

Yes, Heretics could not target the LS since it's protected.

Thaddeus vs. Sabbath Breaker: Can cards be protected from being drawn?

I think this is still in discussion as it's also related to JT being changed to a protect.  My opinion is that decks will not be protected from draw but we'll see.

I think this is still in discussion as it's also related to JT being changed to a protect.  My opinion is that decks will not be protected from draw but we'll see.

J Tower already changed, and it's not a protect:

Jerusalem Tower (Pa)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may remove a card from holder's draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched and/or shuffled. • Play As: Restrict opponents' from removing cards from holder’s deck. Deck may still be searched, revealed, and/or shuffled. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: Nehemiah 12:38 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)

Hey,

What does that even mean? Do we have a classification for restrict?

http://www.freewebs.com/redemptionne/AlmanacofSpecialAbilities%5B2010-01-02%5D.pdf

Page 33.

Restrict is a new ability in the REG designed to address/encompass cards that were previously categorized as prevent abilities but didn't target abilities.  You prevent abilities.  You restrict game actions.  That's the idea.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Alex, think along the lines of Darius's Decree. It restricts a player from playing good enhancements.

I personally like the idea a lot. Makes more sense to me.

I simply didn't understand the significance of the key phrase. I understood what it meant, but I didn't know it's significance in the rules.

I would imagine you could restrict the playing of a dominant, you just cant negate one. (you can instead it though, which essentially negates it....)

If JTower gets a restrict for removal, then Hezekiah's Signet Ring should restrict opponents from searching decks or discard piles...why is the play as a prevent??? The SA is the exact same wording...why different Play As?


Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may search any draw pile or discard pile. • Play As: Prevent opponents from searching any deck or discard pile

Jerusalem Tower (Pa)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may remove a card from holder's draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched and/or shuffled.

If JTower gets a restrict for removal, then Hezekiah's Signet Ring should restrict opponents from searching decks or discard piles...why is the play as a prevent??? The SA is the exact same wording...why different Play As?


Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may search any draw pile or discard pile. • Play As: Prevent opponents from searching any deck or discard pile

Jerusalem Tower (Pa)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may remove a card from holder's draw pile. Draw pile may still be searched and/or shuffled.

I'm sure that the Play As for HSR just wasn't updated yet. I would think that it will be treated as a Restrict ability in the future, given the fact that it is limiting a game action.

Wool Fleece (Pa)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No Evil Characters may band • Play As: Evil Characters are prevented from banding.

Household Idols (Ap)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Heroes may not band. Good banding cards have no effect. • Play As: Prevent band abilities of Heroes. Ignore good banding cards

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Quote from: Professoralstad on August 17, 2010, 01:02:56 PM

I'm sure that the Play As for HSR just wasn't updated yet. I would think that it will be treated as a Restrict ability in the future, given the fact that it is limiting a game action.

That's at least a little more comforting...*still thinks we should have 3 basic abilities like the old rock, paper, scissors days...an ability that restricts, a way to get around the restrictions, and a way to do everything else so long that it cannot is restricted...I think I'm jumping on the consistency bandwagon...

There are about 8 abilites now, Regardless, Ignore, Immune, Cannot Be Negated, Negate, Instead, Restrict, Protect.

That makes sense,  I was hoping Wool Fleece would finally see play.

Hey,

...*still thinks we should have 3 basic abilities like the old rock, paper, scissors days...

You forgot Lizard and Spock.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

By the "restrict" wording on JT, does that stop the defender from drawing against The Generous Widow ("All players discard two cards from hand and draw two cards. Cannot be negated.")?

If it did, it would also stop the draw on Mayhem.