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TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« on: June 11, 2015, 10:19:21 AM »
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This fancy, new card has a conditional CBN. Here are my questions:

1. Do TC characters follow the same "it's either CBN or not CBN when played and can't change after" rule that most other cards follow?
a. If so, and the top card when you initially play Foretelling Angel is a Daniel card, is he just CBN forever?
b. If not, would Foretelling Angel's CBN-ness update when your top card changes or at the beginning of each phase based on the card that's face-up at that time?

2. When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up? Answered!

EDIT: Sorry to butt in with my super mod powers, but I thought it would be best to leave your question readable for reference by others, so I removed the strikethrough format. ProfA
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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 11:13:57 AM »
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At this point, I would rule that he is CBN for the remainder of the phase in which the last Daniel card was taken to hand. However, those are some good questions, and we will need to iron them out by the time the card is released. Since it is a conditional ongoing CBN ability on a TC character (which is new to the game) we will have to determine how to best resolve those questions.

What I can say for sure by the current rules is that if your Daniel character activates its ability while the top card is Daniel, and later it is not, that characters ability remains CBN. Conversely, if the top is not a Daniel card when the ability is activated, and later is, the ability is still debatable.
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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 03:49:44 PM »
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Follow-up question: When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up?

There was a thread in recent months where someone specified that technically cards are always drawn 1 at a time (for the purposes of Lost Soul replacement, etc.) even if more than 1 is drawn via a special ability or game rule so I wasn't sure if that applied here. (you draw the first card, the next one becomes the "top card", you draw the next one, the third card becomes the new "top card", etc.)

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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 04:18:38 PM »
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Follow-up question: When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up?

There was a thread in recent months where someone specified that technically cards are always drawn 1 at a time (for the purposes of Lost Soul replacement, etc.) even if more than 1 is drawn via a special ability or game rule so I wasn't sure if that applied here. (you draw the first card, the next one becomes the "top card", you draw the next one, the third card becomes the new "top card", etc.)

I asked this question in playtesting and the answer I got was that you draw all cards from a draw ability or start of turn draw, and then reveal the top card after.
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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 04:31:24 PM »
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Follow-up question: When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up?

There was a thread in recent months where someone specified that technically cards are always drawn 1 at a time (for the purposes of Lost Soul replacement, etc.) even if more than 1 is drawn via a special ability or game rule so I wasn't sure if that applied here. (you draw the first card, the next one becomes the "top card", you draw the next one, the third card becomes the new "top card", etc.)

I believe it has been ruled that no actions can occur between the individual drawing of each card.
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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 04:33:23 PM »
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Follow-up question: When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up?

There was a thread in recent months where someone specified that technically cards are always drawn 1 at a time (for the purposes of Lost Soul replacement, etc.) even if more than 1 is drawn via a special ability or game rule so I wasn't sure if that applied here. (you draw the first card, the next one becomes the "top card", you draw the next one, the third card becomes the new "top card", etc.)

I believe it has been ruled that no actions can occur between the individual drawing of each card.

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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 05:27:31 PM »
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Follow-up question: When you draw more than 1 card at a time while Foretelling Angel is in play (such as at the beginning of your turn) do you have to reveal each card as you draw it or does the new top card after the draw completes get flipped face up?

There was a thread in recent months where someone specified that technically cards are always drawn 1 at a time (for the purposes of Lost Soul replacement, etc.) even if more than 1 is drawn via a special ability or game rule so I wasn't sure if that applied here. (you draw the first card, the next one becomes the "top card", you draw the next one, the third card becomes the new "top card", etc.)

I believe it has been ruled that no actions can occur between the individual drawing of each card.

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...oh and I agree with Prof on the earlier points that this is something that is being hammered-out.  I have my reasoning for a ruling, but we'll be making sure we all agree going forward :)

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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 05:47:04 PM »
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Thanks for the resounding answer everybody. I never expected to have FOUR playtesters reply, haha! (5 if you count Gabe's + 1's)

If the conditional CBN stuff is still being hammered out that's totally fine. I can definitely wait for you guys to decide on something official. :)
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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 09:26:15 PM »
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If the conditional CBN stuff is still being hammered out that's totally fine. I can definitely wait for you guys to decide on something official. :)

Well I hope you can wait, otherwise there are some copies of an unprinted card lying around  :o

But yes, there will be resolution before anyone gets a Foretelling Angel ;)

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Re: TC Heroes and Conditional CBN
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 11:35:15 PM »
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Well I hope you can wait, otherwise there are some copies of an unprinted card lying around  :o
Just the ones I drew over my Bucklers. ;)

 


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