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If my opponent plays a discard an evil character and he goes to the discard pile but then tartaros instead's the discard. If later in the battle I negate the discard ability does it bring the evil character back into the battle from tartaros?TartarosIf your demon is discarded or captured you may hold it here instead. If your demon wins a battle you May underdeck a demon from here.
If he was never discarded, but rather instead of being discarded he was put into Tartarus. How can negating the discard effect the instead? Wouldn’t you have to negate Tartarus and put your evil character back into the discard pile than negate the discard enhancement in battle to bring him back from the discard pile. See the enhancement never got to work in my opinion. It’s as if it was already negated by Tartarus not allowing it to do its full ability. So when you negate the discard enhancement later down the battle it’s a mute card because it never truly got to discard the evil characters in the first place.
The REG says that if the new effect is negated (new effect being instead of being discarded it goes to tartaros) the act of insteading does not get undone. As the new effect was initially done through instead. So if my discard is later negated the instead is not undone leaving his evil character in Tartaros right?
Quote from: Lex1122 on March 14, 2018, 12:41:54 PMThe REG says that if the new effect is negated (new effect being instead of being discarded it goes to tartaros) the act of insteading does not get undone. As the new effect was initially done through instead. So if my discard is later negated the instead is not undone leaving his evil character in Tartaros right?[...] To undo the act of insteading you would need to negate Tartaros.
If the new effect activates and is later negated, the act of insteading does not get undone, as the new effect was still applied initially through instead.
Quote from: REGIf the new effect activates and is later negated, the act of insteading does not get undone, as the new effect was still applied initially through instead.Based on this it seems like instead abilities have an implied CBI.
Quote from: KoalaKing on March 14, 2018, 12:55:22 PMQuote from: REGIf the new effect activates and is later negated, the act of insteading does not get undone, as the new effect was still applied initially through instead.Based on this it seems like instead abilities have an implied CBI.That's if the new effect is negated (read: original ability that was modified), not if the card doing the insteading is negated. I can't find anything that says instead is CBI and I also thought all modifiers were possibly CBI but I couldn't find anything to indicate that either.
Quote from: Kevinthedude on March 14, 2018, 12:58:57 PMQuote from: KoalaKing on March 14, 2018, 12:55:22 PMQuote from: REGIf the new effect activates and is later negated, the act of insteading does not get undone, as the new effect was still applied initially through instead.Based on this it seems like instead abilities have an implied CBI.That's if the new effect is negated (read: original ability that was modified), not if the card doing the insteading is negated. I can't find anything that says instead is CBI and I also thought all modifiers were possibly CBI but I couldn't find anything to indicate that either.This is not actually implying that Instead is CBI. I'll use an example to explain.I have The god of This World in play. You attack with AUTO, TgoTW makes AUTO a D1 instead of a D2. You exchange for a Judge, I block with some other EC, you get initiative and play a hypothetical GE that says "Negate evil draw abilities". This negates TgoTW's D1, but it doesn't let you D2 with AUTO, since TgoTW still "Insteaded" the D2.
