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Tartaros?!?! Help
« on: August 20, 2010, 12:56:11 PM »
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My opponent and I both have Tartaros in our territory. I am blocking with Legion and my opponent plays Son of God. Who's Tartaros does Legion go to?

I ask, because it's actually Legion's own ability which sends it to the discard pile.

Legion: "Play As: Legion may band with Legion. Discard all Legion cards if Son of God is played while Legion is in battle."

Tartaros: "All demons that holder captures, discards, or has in Land of Bondage are placed in Tartaros. Release one demon to holder's territory from Tartaros when one of holder's demons wins in battle."

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 01:00:23 PM »
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ouch...
i would say that it goes to you.
your opponent didn't angel you,
he used SoG.
Legion would be dead but you "saved" him.
Of course, I am no expert.
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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 01:01:58 PM »
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I would say it goes to your tartaros, because the noun of that sentince is you I.E. "(You, Owner) Discard all Legion cards if Son of God is played while Legion is in battle"
You would even get your opponent's Legions if he had any.

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 02:14:57 PM »
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Legion is discarded by his own ability. Since you control Legion, he goes to your Tartaros.
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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 03:45:55 PM »
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Legion is discarded by his own ability. Since you control Legion, he goes to your Tartaros.
Legion is discarded by his ability yes, but I don't see how that = you discarding it. You didn't discard it the opponent who played Son of God did.

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 03:47:41 PM »
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Legion is discarded by his own ability. Since you control Legion, he goes to your Tartaros.
Legion is discarded by his ability yes, but I don't see how that = you discarding it. You didn't discard it the opponent who played Son of God did.

Legion discards itself and he is the owner of that SA.

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 03:59:55 PM »
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this makes my head hurt...
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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 04:30:12 PM »
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When your opponent plays Son of God, your Legion discards himself. It is his ability doing the discarding, regardless of who triggers the ability.
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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 06:40:40 PM »
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When your opponent plays Son of God, your Legion discards himself. It is his ability doing the discarding, regardless of who triggers the ability.

I see what you mean, but I have a new thought on this matter. Doesn't the first sentence of Tartaros imply that you and you alone have to discard the demon to reap the benefit? I am thinking that you did absolutely nothing to discard legion so you shouldn't be able to place him in Tartaros.

A little off topic, but why did tartaros receive an errata that says it plays to set aside? I was playing Kirk and he said it goes to set aside now.

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 06:45:20 PM »
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this makes my head hurt...

My head hurts when I eat too much ice cream.
I'm sorry I crammed 11 cookies in the VCR.

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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 06:47:19 PM »
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When your opponent plays Son of God, your Legion discards himself. It is his ability doing the discarding, regardless of who triggers the ability.

I see what you mean, but I have a new thought on this matter. Doesn't the first sentence of Tartaros imply that you and you alone have to discard the demon to reap the benefit? I am thinking that you did absolutely nothing to discard legion so you shouldn't be able to place him in Tartaros.

A little off topic, but why did tartaros receive an errata that says it plays to set aside? I was playing Kirk and he said it goes to set aside now.


Last I remember it, the reasoning was so that you couldn't use Elymas "cost-free" (i.e. discard their hero and discard a Demon already in Tartaros, putting him back in Tartaros). And then there was something about how Tartaros, like Gates of Hell and Chamber of Angels, are in the spiritual as opposed to physical realms, so it makes sense for them to be not in play (the physical world, in a sense). Obviously that isn't 100% consistent with all the set-aside Fortresses, but it's an interesting idea. I honestly don't know if the errata is really necessary, but it's been there for awhile.
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Re: Tartaros?!?! Help
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2010, 12:35:45 PM »
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When your opponent plays Son of God, your Legion discards himself. It is his ability doing the discarding, regardless of who triggers the ability.

I see what you mean, but I have a new thought on this matter. Doesn't the first sentence of Tartaros imply that you and you alone have to discard the demon to reap the benefit? I am thinking that you did absolutely nothing to discard legion so you shouldn't be able to place him in Tartaros.

A little off topic, but why did tartaros receive an errata that says it plays to set aside? I was playing Kirk and he said it goes to set aside now.


Last I remember it, the reasoning was so that you couldn't use Elymas "cost-free" (i.e. discard their hero and discard a Demon already in Tartaros, putting him back in Tartaros). And then there was something about how Tartaros, like Gates of Hell and Chamber of Angels, are in the spiritual as opposed to physical realms, so it makes sense for them to be not in play (the physical world, in a sense). Obviously that isn't 100% consistent with all the set-aside Fortresses, but it's an interesting idea. I honestly don't know if the errata is really necessary, but it's been there for awhile.

Okay, thanks.

 


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