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Doesn’t ANB cause SI for the blocker?

Quote from: Watchman492 on March 12, 2018, 07:53:28 PM

Doesn’t ANB cause SI for the blocker?

Doesn't make much difference in my case when he played it off of Hidden Treasures. 

ANB Errata:
If making a rescue attempt, banish this card to shuffle all cards in play, hands and set-aside areas. If no Heroes are in battle, end the battle, each player must draw 8, and end your turn. If you do, you may begin a new turn.

If SI suspends the shuffle prior to removing the ECs from battle, it should suspend the entire shuffle, including the hand. The end the battle is CBI by rule, but the shuffle is what would cause SI.

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on March 13, 2018, 05:57:02 PM

ANB Errata:
If making a rescue attempt, banish this card to shuffle all cards in play, hands and set-aside areas. If no Heroes are in battle, end the battle, each player must draw 8, and end your turn. If you do, you may begin a new turn.

If SI suspends the shuffle prior to removing the ECs from battle, it should suspend the entire shuffle, including the hand. The end the battle is CBI by rule, but the shuffle is what would cause SI.

I agree that ANB's current errata grants SI - it came up in a game within the last year or two and my opponent and I agreed that SI's definition would grant SI for ANB due to the mutual removal clause.

The real question is, what can target ANB in SI?  Because it banishes itself first.  The whole reason I started that other thread about "Suspending the whole ability causing SI" is because it is counterintuitive to undo an entire ability that causes SI when only one part of the ability is actually causing SI. 

Plus, the word "Suspend" doesn't mean you go back and undo anything.  When your license gets suspended, it's not like you get cited for your last week of driving because your suspension is retroactive to 7 days ago.  In plain English, suspend means "it stops where it is and goes no further".

What is SI?