Stating game states is smart
Although to be fair, stating "I cannot stop the rescue," is not stating a game state that the person could be aware of unless you said itBut you are also telling everyone at the table the same thing, so that seems fair to me. Sure you are telling your one opponent that they better play Grapes quickly. But you are also telling your other opponent that they better play AotL quickly. So it still becomes a race, and that seems fair to me.
The way I see it, the only thing that should not be allowed is you giving another player direct strategy hints. I.e. "you should do this [specific action] because of this [specific reason]" etc. Saying things like "well, I can't stop the rescue, but we'll see what happens" is legit, but saying "I'm going to put my guy in battle, so you should play Grapes as soon as I do before anyone has a chance to play AotL" is not. It might seem like a fine line in some cases, but I think that using creative ways to "state the game state" is perfectly legit.
Hey,
By stating I can't stop him I am giving my opponents knowledge of my hand that only I am supposed to know. If it's okay for me to tell them that, is it okay for me to state things about the content of an opponent's hand that I look at? What's the difference?
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
You want to tell the table the contents of your hand, that's your right, but you shouldn't be allowed to reveal the contents of someone else's hand.
This is actually not correct. You are not allowed to reveal your hand unless a SA says you can. Revealing the contents verbally should follow the same rule.
If you choose to reveal a card or cards from your hand it must be universal disclosure.
| SUBJECT | LANGUAGE RESPONSE |
| Minnesota table | "I can't stop the rescue" |
| Florida table | "I'm about to give up a LS" |
| Oregon table | "Going once! Going twice!..." |
| Wisconsin table | "Irish potato is now Boiled!" |
| Northeast table | "I'm choosing not to stop him" |
| French table | "Je renonce." |
| German table | "Berlin ist verloren!" |
| British table | "I'm knackered!" |
| Australian table | "If a bloke is bottling his blood's worth, he can give it a burl." |
For example, I state "I have no more enhancements. Can anybody help block or should I give up the lost soul?" is a perfectly valid statement of the gamestate (though perhaps revealing a statement about your hand). However if you have a dominant block in your hand, you are implying that you cannot block the rescue attempt, you just don't say it. Because of Urim and Thummim, you know that your opponents can indeed help by playing whatever. Is it wrong to manipulate them into wasting their dominants, or strategic gameplay so you can make a rescue later on?I think thats valid.
I thought all tabletalk was allowed in TEAMS? I was telling my opponent everything I saw...Tabletalk is totally allowed in TEAMS (as long as it's in English). That's part of the fun of TEAMS, and also why this whole discussion doesn't have to happen about that event :)
I have been following this thread, but the fact that you even asked that question on a forum for a Christian game makes me a bit upset. Are there rules against lying and deceiving? No. Is it ethical, especially in a Christian context? Absolutely NOT. Of course, I know that I've heard of cases where people have, especially at higher level tournaments, and that's not okay.We have a thread dedicated to Diplomacy, a game full of lying, deceiving, and betrayal.
I have been following this thread, but the fact that you even asked that question on a forum for a Christian game makes me a bit upset. Are there rules against lying and deceiving? No. Is it ethical, especially in a Christian context? Absolutely NOT. Of course, I know that I've heard of cases where people have, especially at higher level tournaments, and that's not okay.We have a thread dedicated to Diplomacy, a game full of lying, deceiving, and betrayal.
You will also find in that thread that you dont need to do any form of lying to be successful. A number of us are doing quite peachy in our current game and havnt lied.I have been following this thread, but the fact that you even asked that question on a forum for a Christian game makes me a bit upset. Are there rules against lying and deceiving? No. Is it ethical, especially in a Christian context? Absolutely NOT. Of course, I know that I've heard of cases where people have, especially at higher level tournaments, and that's not okay.We have a thread dedicated to Diplomacy, a game full of lying, deceiving, and betrayal.
You don't need to technically lie in Redemption either. You are deceiving though.You will also find in that thread that you dont need to do any form of lying to be successful. A number of us are doing quite peachy in our current game and havnt lied.I have been following this thread, but the fact that you even asked that question on a forum for a Christian game makes me a bit upset. Are there rules against lying and deceiving? No. Is it ethical, especially in a Christian context? Absolutely NOT. Of course, I know that I've heard of cases where people have, especially at higher level tournaments, and that's not okay.We have a thread dedicated to Diplomacy, a game full of lying, deceiving, and betrayal.
You will also find in that thread that you dont need to do any form of lying to be successful. A number of us are doing quite peachy in our current game and havnt lied.Yep, I'm in the game and haven't lied at all.
You don't need to technically lie in Redemption either. You are deceiving though.We had this discussion in another thread a while back about something you did in a tournament (pretending to have SoG/NJ in your hand by grabbing 2 cards). I think the consensus was that there is nothing wrong with playing mind games like that and it is up to your opponent to figure out if you are bluffing or not. However I do think that if a person actually lied (stating something that they knew wasn't true for the purpose of deceiving someone) in Redemption, that it would be wrong.
In order to get ahead and win the game, you will have to lie to and betray someone at some point.This isn't always correct (although it usually is). Each player has to decide for themselves how to handle the ethical dilemmas of Diplomacy. Lying is completely accepted and even expected in the game, so most players are willing to tell two different players that they will be supporting their attacks when in reality they are only helping one to kill the other.
However, not all players choose to go the easy route. I personally choose to never intentionally tell another player something that is not true. But I don't always tell everything that I know either. So if an opponent is jumping to an inaccurate conclusion based on something someone said, I don't feel compelled to correct their misconception.
My choice to avoid lies in a game where most other players will still lie to me does give me a bit of a disadvantage. But I personally feel better about playing that way. And despite the handicap, I have had some success in the past.
I'm pretty sure God does care who you are when you win and lose though, and deception to get there changes that.True if we make the distction between deception and cheating. Deception is part of the game. If it were not then your opponent would get to look through your deck before you play or your hand before you attack/defend. Again, that's why I stated, "it's a game".