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Offline Prof Underwood

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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 10:26:07 AM »
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You will also find in that thread that you dont need to do any form of lying to be successful. A number of us are doing quite peachy in our current game and havnt lied.
Yep, I'm in the game and haven't lied at all.

You don't need to technically lie in Redemption either. You are deceiving though.
We had this discussion in another thread a while back about something you did in a tournament (pretending to have SoG/NJ in your hand by grabbing 2 cards).  I think the consensus was that there is nothing wrong with playing mind games like that and it is up to your opponent to figure out if you are bluffing or not.  However I do think that if a person actually lied (stating something that they knew wasn't true for the purpose of deceiving someone) in Redemption, that it would be wrong.

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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2013, 01:45:50 PM »
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In order to get ahead and win the game, you will have to lie to and betray someone at some point.
This isn't always correct (although it usually is).  Each player has to decide for themselves how to handle the ethical dilemmas of Diplomacy.  Lying is completely accepted and even expected in the game, so most players are willing to tell two different players that they will be supporting their attacks when in reality they are only helping one to kill the other.

However, not all players choose to go the easy route.  I personally choose to never intentionally tell another player something that is not true.  But I don't always tell everything that I know either.  So if an opponent is jumping to an inaccurate conclusion based on something someone said, I don't feel compelled to correct their misconception.

My choice to avoid lies in a game where most other players will still lie to me does give me a bit of a disadvantage.  But I personally feel better about playing that way.  And despite the handicap, I have had some success in the past.

I love these types of games as much as anyone but in a forum where at one point Pokemon was banned from discussion because parents might not like it, seems like Diplomacy should be too since it's openly expected for you to behave in a non-Christian way, even by someone trying to be Christian in it.

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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2013, 01:07:07 PM »
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Ahh, the talk of deception...again. I normally don't post on these topics, for one because it's all quite silly to me.  Two, was motivated to post since Crashfach and I had a convo with a student this past Wed. about this very thing, so my thoughts...Whether you are playing Diplomacy, Redemption, or any other game for that matter...getting down to basic Bible; deception is sin & so is omission if you know the full facts. If we are going to be held to Biblical legality, then it's wrong. However, that's why it's a game, and games are meant to be fun, for enjoyment, and if we are good sports, a creative deceptive play is to be acknowledged as a good move. Those are the plays that make the highlight reel on ESPN, right? Redemption is a game...period & and who wins or loses and how they do it has no bearing on my eternity w/ Christ. Honestly, God probably doesn't even care who wins.
 
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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2013, 01:41:32 PM »
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I'm pretty sure God does care who you are when you win and lose though, and deception to get there changes that.

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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2013, 02:05:31 PM »
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Deck, hand and face-down cards are indirect forms of deception.
Final ANB errata: Return player to game.

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Re: Tabletalk?
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2013, 02:24:54 PM »
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I'm pretty sure God does care who you are when you win and lose though, and deception to get there changes that.
True if we make the distction between deception and cheating. Deception is part of the game. If it were not then your opponent would get to look through your deck before you play or your hand before you attack/defend. Again,  that's why I stated, "it's a game".
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us- Gandalf in LOTR

 


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