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1. I think Land Dispute would say something like Hormah, where the wording would be "site and its contents". You only take a site, not anything in a site, same as Jacob's Dream.

2. You can't IoJ chamber, so this is impossible.

3. Why not? Just 'accidentally' place your cards face up on the table (but why would u want to )

4. The protection on Birth Foretold doesn't carry over to the opponent's turn, so you'd have to get SoG and Mayhem off of the opponent's Mayhem draw.

1.) It doesn't need to specify. It should carry over unless there is a game rule that says no, and I can't find one in the REG.

The REG is out of date.

3.) That doesn't answer my question.

It kinda does. He can't find a reason that it wouldn't work.

4. The protection on Birth Foretold doesn't carry over to the opponent's turn, so you'd have to get SoG and Mayhem off of the opponent's Mayhem draw.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=23640.0

In that topic, Maly also said this, which seems to follow my thought process on the whole turns/rounds mess:

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Anything that is counting turns really means rounds.  Other mention of turn (I can't think of any other than "end of turn") really means turn.

"Search deck for Isaac, Samson, John the Baptist, or Son of God. Protect cards with those titles from opponents' cards this turn."
Doesn't say "End of turn." It says "this turn" which is essentially counting one turn.

What about cards that say next turn? Would that be for the whole next round? When does next turn begin?

Besieging the City (Ki)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Opponent may not draw cards or make a rescue attempt next turn. • Play As: Restrict opponent from drawing cards next turn and from making a rescue attempt next turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 24:11 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Common)

4. Maly's quote above said "other mention of turn," which "this turn" would qualify under. "Counting turns" means to do something for a set number of turns.

"This turn" is the same as "one turn."

Matt sooooo called the second one, only he said Journey to Sweden..

Problem is, they still haven't answered the "hypothetical" question...so...answer for the second one?

Its pretty much just the idea: place here, do X after Y turns. It is negated before Y turns are up. Does X occur.

Nero's Realm would work too. I assume the answer is X does occur, otherwise set asides wouldn't make sense to me.

An example I can think of that seems to fit the "hypothetical question" is this:

If a hero is set aside via Mildewed House and MH is removed before those turns are up, does the hero still return after 2 turns?

A set-aside card is not required to keep a character in set aside (see also the Shame LS and Nebuchadnezzar's Pride). Mildewed House is an example of a card that sets aside a character, but does not go with them to the set aside area. The ability that set aside the character is an instant ability that completed on a previous turn (or phase in the same turn), so it cannot be negated, and removing it would not negate the ability anyway.

If you don't want to answer a hypothetical question please don't post, as it isn't helpful.

I was answering a specific scenario that was posted. If you don't like the answer then don't post.

There will be someone out there who is willing.

Apparently not. There is a reason for that. Hypothetical questions like the one you are asking are used to try to get the PtB to make a hypothetical ruling that can later be used against them. I would guess that the two of you have an idea in mind, but in order to make it work you need a quote from an elder from an unrelated ruling. There simply is no incentive for the PtB to give in to your guile.

Chamber of Angels and Dust and Ashes are unique in that they are the only set-aside cards that specify a certain amount of turns that aren't discarded after the turns are up, and specify something other than the default for returning characters from set-aside. D&A is CBN, so it doesn't really matter in this situation.

Currently, there are no cards that can negate Chamber, however, if they could, I would rule that since the non-optional method of leaving the Fortress is negated, then you would be able to return Angels from Chamber like you would from any Fortress with a "Holds" identifier without a non-optional method of leaving the Fortress (like Disciples from Fishing Boat).

As to the other questions: LS's do not follow Sites for any reason, unless something like "and contents" is included in the ability affecting the Site.

There is no rule allowing you to reveal your hand whenever you feel like it. This could be an issue in multiplayer games, when there may be some advantage to letting an opponent know what you have, as a form of table talk. However, in a two-player game, I can't imagine anyone being upset that you showed him or her your hand. But according to a strict reading of the rules, it is not allowed.

"This turn" refers to only the time between the draw phase and the discard phase of one person. It is not the same thing as "one turn". So the BF situation described does not work.

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But according to a strict reading of the rules, it is not allowed.^[1]

Currently, there are no cards that can negate Chamber, however, if they could, I would rule that since the non-optional method of leaving the Fortress is negated, then you would be able to return Angels from Chamber like you would from any Fortress with a "Holds" identifier without a non-optional method of leaving the Fortress (like Disciples from Fishing Boat).

So I could negate my own Chamber to return the Angels to play?  (If such a card existed).

Is there any rule against talking (hypothetical question, there actually isn't)? If I ever start hosting tournaments again I'm going to let Multiplayer participants talk to their hearts' content, same goes for teams (although they'll probably want to use code).