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Rams horn it up.

Ram's Horn (Priests)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Enhancements used by good Priests and warrior class Heroes cannot be interrupted. If your rescue attempt is successful, discard this card and one single-color Site from each opponent’s territory. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Exodus 6:5

Ok here is the story.  Player 1 RA's with Teal/ purple melchisedeck.

Melchizedek
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal/Purple • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all Heroes in play from capture, conversion and poison abilities. • Attributes: King of Salem, Prophet, Priest • Identifiers: OT Male Human, King (Salem), Royalty, Prophet, Priest • Verse: Genesis 14:18

Player 2 blocks with Amalakites slave, and puts amalikites slave into player 1's LOB to search his deck for egyptian charioteers.

The Amalekites' Slave
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold/Brown • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: If blocking, you may place this card in opponent's Land of Bondage to search your deck for a human Evil Character and add it to the battle. • Attributes: Male Egyptian • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Egypt • Verse: I Samuel 30:13


Egyptian Charioteers
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 6 / 8 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Prevent the special ability of the next enhancement opponent plays this battle. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human, Egypt, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Exodus 14:7
 

the next enhancement played by Player 1 was Zeal for the Lord  which was prevented by the egyptian charioteers.

Zeal for the Lord
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and discard two Evil Characters of different brigades. Cannot be negated if used by Phinehas, son of Eleazar. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Numbers 25:11

Player 1 still had initiative so he played Jehodias strength and banded in the following people.  King David, Chenaniah, Phinehas, and moses.

Jehoiada's Strength
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 5 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and band any number of O.T. human Heroes into battle. All Heroes are immune to brown brigade. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Chronicles 23:1

King David
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 11 / 11 • Class: None • Special Ability: May not be blocked by any member of any royal family. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, King (Israel), Royalty, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Samuel 17:37

Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 12 / 8 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Protect this Hero from capture and conversion. Protect Heroes in your territory and set-aside area from discard abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Tabernacle High Priest (House of Eleazar) • Verse: Numbers 25:7

Chenaniah
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 11 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect your Musicians from the special ability on the next evil Enhancement played this battle. May band to a Musician. • Attributes: Levite, Musician, Israelite • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Musician (Israel), Levite • Verse: I Chronicles 15:22

Moses
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: All special abilities on character cards and enhancement cards except this one are interrupted and prevented. Battle is determined by the numbers. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Exodus 3:14

OK. Player 1 says that the Amalekite slave switch is undone by Moses and that it is now a FBTN with the rescuing gang on one side and the Amalikite slaves on the other.  Furthermore, he says that Zeal, is now "unprevented" and that since it cannot be interrupted, he proceeds to nuke amalekite slave and KoT in Player 1's territory. 

I dont know how I feel about this.  I see the battle being FBTN. and at first I thought that the banding chain was undone by Moses's ability to interrupt AND Prevent, but the enhancement was down before Moses, so I have switched my opinion on that one.  What I do want to know is this.  Does moses re-prevent Zeal in this situation?  he was in battle before charioteers was pushed back so at first charioteers was preventing Zeal but now that Moses is in Battle, doesn't he prevent zeal?

E charioteers ability is negated, BUT even if zeal COULD reactivate it'd be prevented by moses.

and you can't undo the effect of AS

Actually, while I agree that TAS wouldn't have been negated, I disagree that Zeal wouldn't reactivate.
If you negate a negate, the originally negated card reactivates, right?

So E. Charioteers prevents Zeal
Moses comes in and negates E. Charioteers
Zeal goes to reactivate, *would* be negated by Moses, but the order of cards played doesn't change, so Moses can't stop Zeal because it's CBI (due to ram's horn)

Hey,

Moses negates all abilities on characters and enhancements in play, not just in battle.  The Amalekites' slave is not negated, but it is not negated because it is no longer a character or enhancement and thus falls outside the set of cards that Moses negates, not because it is outside of the locations that Moses negates.

You can only negate a card after it has activated, you can only prevent a card before it has completed activation.  When Moses takes effect, Zeal has not completed activation so it is prevented by Moses not negated by Moses, thus Zeal would not take effect.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly