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After seven  turns can I place Seven Years of Plenty in Storehouse?

Storehouse (Pa)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Unused enhancements may be placed here face up during discard phase. Any one enhancement from Storehouse may be placed in holder's hand during player's Site phase. • Play As: Holder may place unused enhancements face up here during Discard Phase. Holder may return one enhancement from Storehouse to hand during Preparation Phase. Storehouse may hold any number of enhancements

Seven Years of Plenty (FF2)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 7 / 0 • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Search deck for a Genesis or Exodus Fortress. Place this card in your territory for 7 turns: Each upkeep, if you control a Genesis character, you may draw 1. • Play As: Search deck for a Genesis or Exodus Fortress. Place this card in your territory for 7 turns. While it remains there, each upkeep, if you control a Genesis character, you may draw 1. • Identifiers: OT, Based on Prophecy • Verse: Genesis 41:29 • Availability: Faith of our Fathers Extended booster packs (None)

Based on this word: Unused; I would say no, since you have "used" SYoP. However,

"Unused" is archaic language. It should have a Holds abilifier with a SA restricting put-ins and take-outsies.

This is also true. The way Storehouse is worded now, you could potentially make an argument for putting enhancements from your discard pile into Storehouse, provided they are "unused" (discarded from deck, hand, etc).

Based on this word: Unused; I would say no, since you have "used" SYoP. However,

Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 30, 2012, 11:13:08 PM

"Unused" is archaic language. It should have a Holds abilifier with a SA restricting put-ins and take-outsies.

This is also true. The way Storehouse is worded now, you could potentially make an argument for putting enhancements from your discard pile into Storehouse, provided they are "unused" (discarded from deck, hand, etc).

Since abilities default to "in play," I don't think this would work, however, it also raises the question of whether Storehouse would work like it's supposed to.

I would think that the intention behind the card was "You may place enhancements from your hand here instead of playing or discarding them..."

Quote from: ArmedKevin117 on February 01, 2012, 12:36:48 PM

I would think that the intention behind the card was "You may place enhancements from your hand here instead of playing or discarding them..."

Intention doesn't matter.

Just like Split A*BANG* *BANG*
*A bearded figure approaches from the darkness, checks for a pulse*
Bearded Figure: Looks like your alter.... has just been split

I would assume unused means unplayed.

However, how does that work for this senario?
They place Image of Jealousy. You play Abraham's Descendant and take it to hand. Can you now put it in Storehouse?

Yup.  When referring to the enhancements, Storehouse doesn't say "your."

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 01, 2012, 02:15:26 PM

I would assume unused means unplayed.

However, how does that work for this senario?
They place Image of Jealousy. You play Abraham's Descendant and take it to hand. Can you now put it in Storehouse?

Yup.  When referring to the enhancements, Storehouse doesn't say "your."

But the enhancement has already been used.

Quote from: lp670sv on February 01, 2012, 02:18:42 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on February 01, 2012, 12:37:56 PM

Quote from: ArmedKevin117 on February 01, 2012, 12:36:48 PM

I would think that the intention behind the card was "You may place enhancements from your hand here instead of playing or discarding them..."

Intention doesn't matter.

Except of course in the case of Michael.

You keep bringing him up and I don't understand why. Abilities that make other special abilities CBN have been CBN themselves since well before you started playing.

And it is that way because they want the ability to work as it was intended to work. That is the only instance in redemption where the intent supersedes the thing the card actually says. Most of the current rules and cards have been around long before I started playing, that doesn't mean it makes any more sense to me when a rule is made so a card works as intended for one card and not the rest.

Still doesn't make any sense. If you want something to be CBN put CBN on the card.

Still doesn't make any sense. If you want something to be CBN put CBN on the card.

So basically, you're upset at the aspect of the ability because they wanted to make cards less wordy? ;__;

It isn't currently being used.  Even if there was a "used" identifier, it'd reset when IoJ hit hand.

"Used" is an identifier, albeit mostly with Artifacts. I'd argue that any character or enhancement that says "X times per game" would have a "used" identifier.

LP, you seem to be confused about the timing of the two decisions. Abilities that give other abilities CBN were rule to be, themselves, CBN before the Michael without "Cannot be Negated" was printed. It's not that they forgot and then went and made a new rule, the rule was already there so it was unnecessary to print it on the new Michael.

It's similar to why drawing abilities do not specify that you draw from the top of your deck. It's simply a rule that draw abilities make you draw from the top, so putting that on every draw card is unnecessary. Or why Capture abilities no longer need "and place in your Land of Bondage. Treat as a Lost Soul."

To be fair, the rulebook is like 8 years old. If you're just going off that there's going to be a lot that's incomplete, confusing, or perhaps even wrong. That's why the next set is starter decks with a new rulebook.

That's unfortunate, but the way I see it it's like showing up to a MTG tournament and not realizing a Hexproof card is inherently uncounterable. You make the mistake once because you had an incomplete or improper understanding of the rules, but now you know.

As to what can be done about it, it's being done. Next year we'll have a rulebook that's actually complete and accurate *crosses fingers*.