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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: redemption collector 777 on December 15, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
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1. Is Stone throwers a pharisee? the wiki says it is.
2. if an enhancement has a bible and skull icon (Like foreign Sword) on it is the brigade called Dual brigade enhancement or split brigade enhancement?
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1. I Believe so.
2. Dual Brigade AFAIK
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The wiki is always right.
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1. The card actually has the Pharisee identifier printed on it so yes it is. The Wiki is not "always" correct, however it is correct a majority of the time and when errors are found they are corrected.
2. Where are you seeing these descriptors? Where they are located changes what they are referring to. I think "Split brigade" was the term before they had cards of both alignments (like Foreign Sword) for cards with more than one brigade. Dual brigade I think specifically refers to cards with exactly 2 brigades (Whether of the same alignment or opposite alignments).
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The wiki is always right.
As the admin of the wiki, I can confirm that it is NOT always right. I do my best to make sure it is though.
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Yea, but the wiki is better than redemption live, so its the best resouce for redemption cards out there , besides the REG.
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Redemption Live is a great tool that has just hasn't been updated recently, while the Wiki has had a couple of dedicated individuals working their best to keep it up-to-date. However, it is NOT an 'official' source of information. The Rulebooks, REG, and Errata posts on this board are the 'official' word on anything, if there is ever a discrepancy.
On the original second question, they are generally referred to as "Dual-Brigade" cards just because that is how the T2 rules refer to them for the exception to the normal multi-brigade rule.
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Is redemption live "official"?
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Is redemption live "official"?
The only things that are official are on these boards in the forms of rulings, the Erratas, the Rulebook, and the REG. Redemption Live is a great resource (I'd like to see it updated with the new cards myself, I loved using it when building decks), as is the Wiki, but they are not 'official' if they cannot be backed up in one of the actual RULES SOURCES.
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Redemption live is great for building themed decks!
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I thought they were referred to as Dual-Alignment Enhancements.
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I thought they were referred to as Dual-Alignment Enhancements.
They are both, the dual-brigade part just comes from the T2 rules. I don't think there is much of an issue calling them any of these names, just be aware what each means.
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Dual-brigade doesn't sound all that descriptive of what they actually are though. A Dual-brigade card would make me think of Wheel Within a Wheel or Hypocrite's Proselyte before Foreign Sword. I understand that it's not all that bit out a deal but I think it would be consistent as well as more correct.
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I thought they were called Dual-Aligned Enhancements (DAE), and Dual-Brigade was reserved for cards of one alignment with two brigades (e.g., Joseph, Pentecost).
Ha! I just read Koala King's original post. He used exactly the same sentence.
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I have always known them as dual brigade enhancements.
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Dual Alignment cards and Dual Brigade cards refer to different subsets of cards. Dual Alignment cards are cards that are both good and evil at face value (Foreign Sword, King Abijah, Philosophy, etc.). Dual Brigade cards are any cards that have exactly 2 brigades, the alignments of the brigades don't matter (Foreign Sword, Wheel Within a Wheel, Samuel, Peace, The False Prophet, The Stars, etc.).
The Tech 2 deck-building restrictions reference Dual Brigade cards, I believe, being that this format allows you to have 2 of those cards (might just be enhancements, I don't remember). Any individual Dual Alignment card could either fall under that or not.
I think currently the only Dual Alignment card that is not also a Dual Brigade card is Philosophy.
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Do The Roman Jailer and Sail/Paul count? They both start as evil but have more than 2 brigades.
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I'm pretty sure Saul is considered single-brigade evil for deck building purposes. I don't know about Roman Jailer.
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Saul is considered a grey EC with no special ability for deck building purposes. Which means you can include three copies of him in a regular T1 deck...
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At face value, Saul is indeed a unique, Roman, Pharisee, single-brigade, Gray Evil Character with no Special Ability.
At face value, The Roman Jailer is a unique, Roman, single-brigade, Gray Evil Character with a Special Ability.
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Saul is considered a grey EC with no special ability for deck building purposes. Which means you can include three copies of him in a regular T1 deck...
That would have to be a 150 card deck!
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Saul is considered a grey EC with no special ability for deck building purposes. Which means you can include three copies of him in a regular T1 deck...
That would have to be a 150 card deck!
Not so fast, grasshoppah ;)
Maximum of 1 of each per 50 cards in a deck:
• Card that has a special ability (printed in the text above the Scripture). Example: A fifty-six (56) card deck may contain only one Gideon’s Call, one Samson’s Strength, etc. A onehundred (100) card deck may contain no more than two Gideon’s Call, two Samson’s
Strength cards, etc. A one-hundred fifty (150) card deck may contain no more than three of any individual special ability card.
Maximum of 3 of each in a deck:
• Single-colored Heroes, Evil Characters and enhancements that do not have a special ability.
At face value, Saul is a single-colored Evil Character with no special ability. So he doesn't fall in the first section (1/50), but instead in the second section (max of 3 no matter the deck size).
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Now I am seroulsy considering a Saul/Paul deck!
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In my experience there's very little reason why you'd want more than 1 of a unique character in a Type 1 deck, at least in the case of Saul/Paul. There are plentiful ways of searching out a Saul/Paul in your deck (some that auto-convert him) and you can't have a Saul EC in play if you have a Paul Hero in play, so the additional one(s) would most likely end up just clogging your hand. I suppose if you wanted to include something like Deluge of Rain as a block you could throw in an extra Saul/Paul so you have less of a cost to sacking your own character, but generally 1 is enough.
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Well, don't forget those Saul/Paul cards you don't use are gray NT cards, so they work REALLY well with other Pharisees and can be thrown via Herod's Temple to keep your D alive (which is a big thing for heroless and herolite).
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Well, don't forget those Saul/Paul cards you don't use are gray NT cards, so they work REALLY well with other Pharisees and can be thrown via Herod's Temple to keep your D alive (which is a big thing for heroless and herolite).
That's true, I didn't think about it that way.
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Can you sacrifice a S/P to HT for offense or do you have to use the gray side since that's the default?
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You can only use the Gray side (since that's what allows you to have 3 in the first place).