Author Topic: Stoic Philosophers + Arrest in Gethsemane (Read 8967 times)

Professoralstad · « **Reply #50 on:** August 03, 2015, 05:39:49 PM »

I believe TheHobbit's concerns are valid, and I don't believe he is making accusations at all. He is just pointing out flaws inherent in the current system, whether they bear out in reality of not. With respect to other games with more resources and a larger player base, the current system is flawed. Not because any such abuse does happen, but rather that it is possible. However, a solution that proposes that playtesters give up their tournament eligibility in favor of being paid for time and efforts is infeasible, and Hobbit even said as much.

I think we would all be open to other potential solutions to perceived problems with the current system, just not the most obvious one.

Gabe · « **Reply #51 on:** August 03, 2015, 05:41:46 PM »

I'll be honest, the longer I play test and the older I get, the more I find myself forgetting which version of certain cards actually got printed. Some cards go through several iterations. I try to test them all. Months later I find I don't even know what the card actually does. Advantage? Old age?

We have a great deal of freedom to tweak cards we're testing and occasionally add new cards to our list. Sometimes play testers do suggest cards to add to their favorite strategy. It's usually in jest. For example, Jordan tried to get us to change Mist so it could recur Gates of Hell. John suggested a generic Samaritan Hero that can recur Water Jar. Obviously neither ever made it to testing.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #52 on:** August 03, 2015, 05:49:15 PM »

I was not jesting when I suggested that Hero.

Still grumpy we didn't even consider it....

jbeers285 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 03, 2015, 05:52:52 PM »

I am with jordan on the thought that if play testers couldn't play I would resign play tester status immediately.

Gabe · « **Reply #54 on:** August 03, 2015, 05:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 03, 2015, 05:49:15 PM

I was not jesting when I suggested that Hero.
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Well, you did win a chance to create a card...

Praeceps · « **Reply #55 on:** August 03, 2015, 06:02:42 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 03, 2015, 05:54:49 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 03, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
I was not jesting when I suggested that Hero.
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Well, you did win a chance to create a card...

Surely this isn't going to end well...

Gabe · « **Reply #56 on:** August 03, 2015, 06:08:59 PM »

Fortunately Justin also won a chance to create a card. If John makes his Samaritan, Justin will make a Dominant (play testers can break the rules, right?) that says,

"Regardless of protection or restriction, search all hands, decks, discard piles and Artifact piles for all copies of Samaritan Water Jar and remove them from the game".

And now you know 2 of the cards we're printing next year!

Praeceps · « **Reply #57 on:** August 03, 2015, 06:22:49 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 03, 2015, 06:08:59 PM

Fortunately Justin also won a chance to create a card. If John makes his Samaritan, Justin will make a Dominant (play testers can break the rules, right?) that says,

"Regardless of protection or restriction, search all hands, decks, discard piles and Artifact piles for all copies of Samaritan Water Jar and remove them from the game".

And now you know 2 of the cards we're printing next year!

You should make that "Regardless of anything" just to make sure it will always work.

Bdog · « **Reply #58 on:** August 03, 2015, 10:18:08 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 03, 2015, 06:08:59 PM

Fortunately Justin also won a chance to create a card. If John makes his Samaritan, Justin will make a Dominant (play testers can break the rules, right?) that says,

"Regardless of protection or restriction, search all hands, decks, discard piles and Artifact piles for all copies of Samaritan Water Jar and remove them from the game".

And now you know 2 of the cards we're printing next year!

What would be the verse for this dominant?

Bdog · « **Reply #59 on:** August 03, 2015, 10:26:41 PM »

Quote from: Praeceps on August 03, 2015, 10:23:24 PM

Judges 7:19b

...and they blew the trumpets and smashed the pitchers that were in their hands.

Except for one problem. The Samaritan Water Jar was only mentioned in the New Testament, while Judges is in the Old Testament

Praeceps · « **Reply #60 on:** August 03, 2015, 10:29:31 PM »

Sorry, decided to look for more

Judges 7:19b
...and they blew the trumpets and smashed the pitchers that were in their hands.
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Isaiah 30:14
Whose collapse is like the smashing of a potter’s jar, So ruthlessly shattered That a sherd will not be found among its pieces To take fire from a hearth Or to scoop water from a cistern.”
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Jeremiah 19:10
Then you are to break the jar in the sight of the men who accompany you
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Jeremiah 48:12
Therefore behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will send to him those who tip vessels, and they will tip him over, and they will empty his vessels and shatter his jars.

Yes, while they don't refer to those specific jars, they are all about smashing jars/pitchers :p

Bdog · « **Reply #61 on:** August 03, 2015, 10:38:00 PM »

Quote from: Praeceps on August 03, 2015, 10:29:31 PM

Sorry, decided to look for more

Judges 7:19b
...and they blew the trumpets and smashed the pitchers that were in their hands.
-or-
Isaiah 30:14
Whose collapse is like the smashing of a potter’s jar, So ruthlessly shattered That a sherd will not be found among its pieces To take fire from a hearth Or to scoop water from a cistern.”
-or-
Jeremiah 19:10
Then you are to break the jar in the sight of the men who accompany you
-or-
Jeremiah 48:12
Therefore behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will send to him those who tip vessels, and they will tip him over, and they will empty his vessels and shatter his jars.

Yes, while they don't refer to those specific jars, they are all about smashing jars/pitchers :p

Nice job on your research. If only there was something in the New Testament (preferably John) about smashing jars.

Praeceps · « **Reply #62 on:** August 03, 2015, 10:47:29 PM »

Personally, if they could somehow justify making it, I'd lean more towards the last one...

Eragon5 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 04, 2015, 11:37:08 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on August 03, 2015, 06:08:59 PM

Fortunately Justin also won a chance to create a card. If John makes his Samaritan, Justin will make a Dominant (play testers can break the rules, right?) that says,

"Regardless of protection or restriction, search all hands, decks, discard piles and Artifact piles for all copies of Samaritan Water Jar and remove them from the game".

And now you know 2 of the cards we're printing next year!

But what if John makes part of the ability on his Samaritan "if Samaritan water jar is removed from playby opponent carry out its ability instead." What then?

😉
By the way I hope everyone had fun at Nats!

Knoxyouthpastor · « **Reply #64 on:** August 04, 2015, 12:25:46 PM »

How about this new rule: "Any playtester who finishes in 1st place in RNRS Points or at Nationals in their given category must take a 1 year sabbatical from said category in order to rule the day in another category, in order to make all other players in this new category complain about any advantages of said player."

kariusvega · « **Reply #65 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:07:39 PM »

i know this is kind of a necrothread but one thing that was lost in this discussion is:

why can't an opponent discard arrest when stoic is negated after it's been out for 3 turns?

i understand it's protected after 3 turns, but if stoic is negated and it's no longer protected why can't it be discarded?
i know it can be targeted by foreign sword, but why not dc ability?

ie daniel comes in and uses live coal while stoic/areo/arrest is negated? am i just wrong in thinking it can't be? because all my understanding would lead to it can be discarded by an ability while the protection is negated

Gabe · « **Reply #66 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:38:08 PM »

It can be discarded if Stoic is negated. The ruling at Nationals is the AiG only checks for the self discard on turn 3 so you will need to do it by other means after that.

kariusvega · « **Reply #67 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:50:19 PM »

okay cool thanks for the clarification!

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