Author Topic: Starter Deck Question (Read 1733 times)

CJSports · « **on:** July 10, 2013, 09:13:17 PM »

So let's say Lahmi blocks a hero with his spear, and activates the spear against any hero. What kind of negate is necessary to stop the spear from triggering? Would any negate all cards in battle work? Would it have to be negate last enhancement played? Or negate an evil card?

Lahmi's Spear
Special Ability
You may discard this card to discard a Hero.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2013, 09:19:11 PM »

Any negate that can target an evil enhancement or an "interrupt the battle" ability followed by an ability that will get rid of it and/or the character it is played on.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2013, 09:28:28 PM »

Pretty sure you cannot negate it with a card that that negates evil cards or all cards in battle. You can , however, Itb or negate last enhancement played.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2013, 10:30:49 PM »

In agreement with TheHobbit and I think with ChristianSoldier. I'm not sure what he meant exactly by target an evil enhancement but it's when you're targeting "the last evil enhancement played."

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2013, 06:38:07 AM »

Quote from: CJSports on July 10, 2013, 09:13:17 PM

So let's say Lahmi blocks a hero with his spear, and activates the spear against any hero. What kind of negate is necessary to stop the spear from triggering? Would any negate all cards in battle work?

If the "negate all" card was in battle before Lahmi, then the spear would not activate.

Korunks · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2013, 08:26:09 AM »

If you only had one character in battle when the spear goes off you can use any negate because you receive special initiative before the ability completes. From the REG:

Special Initiative
When you are losing the battle by removal, you are granted special initiative to play an
Enhancement that will interrupt or negate the card that is causing your charact’s removal. You are
considered to be losing by removal when an opponent’s special ability, or a game rule that has been
triggered by an opponent’s special ability, would leave you with no character in battle when the
special ability has completed.

So you get a chance to negate Lahmi's spear with anything that can negate it, This was also the ruling for cards like Invoking Terror.

CJSports · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2013, 09:27:58 AM »

Alright thanks.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2013, 01:21:20 PM »

I have always understood that in Special Innitiative enhancements freeze at the point of removal. That's why you can negate cards like invoking and JiP with Samuel's Edict.

I found this quote from Polarius in a thread about invoking terror.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 08, 2012, 02:28:20 PM

I'm actually not sure if this got resolved, but iirc the "prior state" side won, as it should. Any time Special Initiative is triggered, it takes place during the state of the battle prior to whatever it is that caused the special initiative carrying one (or, pending if you will). A normal ITB or Negate would be able to stop Invoking Terror in this case.

The prior state of battle, in this case, is when Lahmi's Spear is in the discard pile trying to discard the hero.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2013, 11:07:52 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 11, 2013, 01:21:20 PM

I have always understood that in Special Innitiative enhancements freeze at the point of removal. That's why you can negate cards like invoking and JiP with Samuel's Edict.

I found this quote from Polarius in a thread about invoking terror.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 08, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
I'm actually not sure if this got resolved, but iirc the "prior state" side won, as it should. Any time Special Initiative is triggered, it takes place during the state of the battle prior to whatever it is that caused the special initiative carrying one (or, pending if you will). A normal ITB or Negate would be able to stop Invoking Terror in this case.

The prior state of battle, in this case, is when Lahmi's Spear is in the discard pile trying to discard the hero.

I believe this is correct and that only an itb or negate last would work. Indeed you do get special initiative but the evil enhancement doesn't stick around to be targeted by a 'negate an evil card' which targets only cards in play and Lahmi's Spear would not be.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2013, 06:33:44 AM »

Is it just me, or are there two opposing answers here? The bottom line question is whether Special Initiative allows the use of any negate, not just ItB or Negate Last. I was under the impression that any negate would work during Special Initiative, regardless of where the targeted card ended up.

Redoubter · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2013, 07:04:18 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2013, 06:33:44 AM

I was under the impression that any negate would work during Special Initiative, regardless of where the targeted card ended up.

This is correct. SI has been ruled to allow any negate that could target the card where it was activated. Anything that could target it where it was played/activated would work, it does not have to be an ITB or negate last. Negate evil will also work, for example.

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