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If you all keep pulling a Steve Irwin poking the Elders with a stick and cause ANB to be the first card banned, I swear I will QUIT!  For good!

#3 I can't believe no one even seemed to notice my comment about birth certificates and Obama.  I really thought that was funny

I would have nominated it for your thread if you allowed that sort of thing.

In terms of the ANB errata, I have a suggestion. I know you wouldn't want to do this for everyday little erratas (like the Assyrian card), but for erratas with complicated wording, or big changes like ANB, would it be terrible to post them here on the forum for the general members to check out and evaluate? You've done so in the past with ruling change ideas (like dom cap, first round doms, etc.), and that way there would be many more eyes checking the wording for loopholes/errors (like the artifact pile one in ANB's case).

Just a thought.

#3 I can't believe no one even seemed to notice my comment about birth certificates and Obama.  I really thought that was funny

I gave your post a + 1 just for that comment.

Demands Elder Rulings.
Is dissatisfied with Elder Rulings.

Are you saying that we shouldn't be disatisfied with an inconsistency in rulings that for the most part is being ignored?  One Elder's word is not law and though I respect ProfU a lot, and I will keep pinging away at this until we get as much consistency as possible.  This would and should be trivial to fix, so why isn't it being fixed?

Are you saying that we shouldn't be disatisfied with an inconsistency in rulings that for the most part is being ignored?  One Elder's word is not law and though I respect ProfU a lot, and I will keep pinging away at this until we get as much consistency as possible.  This would and should be trivial to fix, so why isn't it being fixed?

I'm saying that you are continuing to beat a dead horse. The errata will probably get changed eventually but at the moment the elders have decided that their arms are tired, or maybe their stick broke, or maybe the horse has finally decayed beyond recognition and now it's just beating a lump of carbon which is not an old-timey saying so they decided to stop. These cards have cause incredible frustration for the elders for a long period of time and they DO NOT want to revisit them at the moment, not to change the errata, not to change the way the cards work. currently split altar doesn't shuffle facedown arts, and ANB does. this is how it's being played by everyone everywhere so there is no need currently to change the wording. Someday it will get done, but first someone has to kill another horse and give the elders a massage. This isn't one elders word being taken as law this is all of the elders already ruled it this way, one elder reconfirmed. If you want it to be changed ever I suggest you drop the subject for a little while, give the elders some time away from these cards, and bring it up at a later time.

Ok so ANB doesn't shuffle art piles due to chronic's rules lawyering trying to get split alter changed? If ANB no longer shuffles art piles I'm complaining to multiple elders.

Yes THAT will solve the frustration problem.

Quote from: Korunks on March 07, 2012, 08:23:49 AM

Are you saying that we shouldn't be disatisfied with an inconsistency in rulings that for the most part is being ignored?  One Elder's word is not law and though I respect ProfU a lot, and I will keep pinging away at this until we get as much consistency as possible.  This would and should be trivial to fix, so why isn't it being fixed?

I'm saying that you are continuing to beat a dead horse. The errata will probably get changed eventually but at the moment the elders have decided that their arms are tired, or maybe their stick broke, or maybe the horse has finally decayed beyond recognition and now it's just beating a lump of carbon which is not an old-timey saying so they decided to stop. These cards have cause incredible frustration for the elders for a long period of time and they DO NOT want to revisit them at the moment, not to change the errata, not to change the way the cards work. currently split altar doesn't shuffle facedown arts, and ANB does. this is how it's being played by everyone everywhere so there is no need currently to change the wording. Someday it will get done, but first someone has to kill another horse and give the elders a massage. This isn't one elders word being taken as law this is all of the elders already ruled it this way, one elder reconfirmed. If you want it to be changed ever I suggest you drop the subject for a little while, give the elders some time away from these cards, and bring it up at a later time.

Beating a dead horse seems to be the only way that nagging long time inconsistencies get resolved around here.  I have seen issues bet brought up and deferred only to not be resolved for months or sometimes years, that is not acceptable.  And no I have not seen or heard any other elder say that ANB shuffles art piles with its current errata, remember ANB was errated last season(If my memorey serves).  But is has been played that it does shuffle artifact piles under the current errata.  That does not make it correct.  So when I come here for confirmation because this is inconsistent with the cursed Split Altar ruling, I am told to let it go.  When I host tournaments I have duty to do my best to get correct answers AND be able to explain them.  When we have an inconsistency, and there is no sufficient answer other than perhaps the eratta was wrong, but if nothing is entered into the REG corrections thread, the REG, or a ruling made by two elders it is not an official rule.  I may be being very rigid about this, but as a judge that is my job.  There is either a right answer or a wrong answer.  IMO it would be a disservice to my players otherwise.

You can't explain some things. Why is Michael's ability CBN? Because abilities that grant CBN are inherently CBN. Well why? Because that's how it is.

Why does ANB shuffle artifact piles. Because that's how it is.

CBN-granting abilities having CBN status themselves have long-standing support in the rulebook/REG, and is not ambiguous there at all. A New Beginning having different targeting rules than Split Altar does not have such support besides tradition, which is not a good reason. That's more at a "tides go in, tides go out" level of inexplicability.

All they have to do to get me to let this go is just correct the errata or make a ruling, those are not unreasonable requests.  The CBN decision is well documented and has a ruling so thats apples and oranges.  You can mock me all you want but in the end all I want is an "official" answer, that is consistent. So Either:

1.  The eratta is worded wrong and we need an entry in the REG corrections thread to reinstate the "ALL".
2.  ANB doesn't shuffle artifacts, would require two elders to make it official.
3. Split Altar does Shuffle Art piles because ANB does, again would require two elder.

Asking for an eratta correction is not an outrageous request, regardless of what the card is.  We have gotten REG corrections for lesser things.

correcting the REG is not the same as asking to have a card re-errata'd

Where have I asked for  a re-errata?  I just requested that they fix this.  I don't care how they do it at this point, just that they do it.

You're all still harping about this?  You need to drop it...just like the individual that dropped my post that may or may not have contained some politically-incorrect statements or phraseology regarding the lack of support for our adopted brethren that currently reside in the Promised Land.

and they probably will, after some time has passed and the mere mention of either of these cards no longer causes instant rAgE