Author Topic: SPLIT ALTAR (Read 1991 times)

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **on:** July 19, 2011, 08:41:51 PM »

On the card it says shuffle all opponents artifacts cards in play into their draw piles. But apparently, face down cards are not considered in play, so they do not get shuffled (or so it was ruled at regionals)... Then if thats true, Would New Beginning leave the face down cards? Theres something wrong here, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:02:17 PM »

I can not think of a reason why ANB would shuffle them, but it's been played that it does.

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:07:28 PM »

Well ANB shuffles all cards in play and set aside into decks... So are you saying it shouldn't? If so then I am very upset

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:10:42 PM »

Could someone post the actual Special Ability of A New Beginning + the errata for it? I can't for the life of me remember if it specifies in play.

Carry On,

-C_S

SomeKittens · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:16:21 PM »

A New Beginning (Pa)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 4 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: ALL players shuffle ALL cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and their hands back into their draw pile. Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain. ALL players Draw 8 new cards. Holder may begin a new turn. • Errata: If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle [return] all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks. End the battle. All players draw 8. End the turn. Begin a new turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 8:15-17 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)
See also:
• Draw
• Remove (from the Game)
• Return

So are face down artifacts considered to be set-aside?

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:18:30 PM »

I honestly think they are in play. For example, the lost soul that allows you to put an evil charachter face down in a site(or whatever the ability actually does) I believe is considered in play.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:20:03 PM »

This is actually the best ANB thread I've seen in a long time. Face down arts aren't in play, yeah? So then why does ANB shuffle them?

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:21:06 PM »

The ironic thing is that this thread is actually about Split Altar LOL.

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:24:09 PM »

Well then alot of people have been playing ANB incorrect...lol...

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:24:25 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 19, 2011, 09:16:21 PM

A New Beginning (Pa)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 4 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: ALL players shuffle ALL cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and their hands back into their draw pile. Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain. ALL players Draw 8 new cards. Holder may begin a new turn. • Errata: If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle [return] all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks. End the battle. All players draw 8. End the turn. Begin a new turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 8:15-17 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Ultra Rare)
See also:
• Draw
• Remove (from the Game)
• Return

So are face down artifacts considered to be set-aside?

Thank you! And great questions! Fortunately my presence in this game is rapidly fading so this kind of thing will no longer bother me... [=

Carry On,

-C_S

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:29:13 PM »

So new beginning.... Doesnt shuffle face down artifacts (and all cards) (along with split altar)...?

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:41:46 PM »

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on July 19, 2011, 09:29:13 PM

So new beginning.... Doesnt shuffle face down artifacts (and all cards) (along with split altar)...?

Wait for a few Elders to confirm this because it's something that needs to be ruled upon...

Carry On,

-C_S

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:44:43 PM »

ANB specifies that it shuffles all cards in the field of play which is how it can target the entire Artifact Pile. The Artifact Pile is in the field of play. Look at the game layout from the starter deck for reference.

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:45:46 PM »

in that case. does split altar also shuffle all opponents artifacts (face-up and face-down) into their owners draw piles?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:46:15 PM »

The long standing ruling with ANB relies on this repeated phrase in the SA.

"ALL players shuffle ALL cards..."

It has been previously been ruled that the specific capitalization of "all" targets everything on the table, except for the LoR and DC piles as mentioned on the card. The errata seems to remove the capitalization, but I'd imagine that is an oversight more than an actual change.

Split Altar only targets artifacts, not artifact piles, which is why it only targets active artifacts.

-instaposted by Gabe-

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2011, 10:08:47 PM »

oh ok thanks

STAMP · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:07:23 AM »

It's a crazy, messed up world we're in. Two cards representing two of the greatest events in the Bible get no love, while everyone's groveling at the feet of an ugly, green lizard.

{sigh} Ah well, these sad times were prophesied.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2011, 01:34:14 AM »

Thad is a lizard?

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