Author Topic: special initive when does it end (Read 7137 times)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #50 on:** March 26, 2011, 12:57:35 AM »

Finally some elder support for team sanity.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #51 on:** March 26, 2011, 01:18:24 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on March 26, 2011, 12:48:41 AM

It's simple. If you're going to interrupt/negate the removal when you have special initiative, then don't remove your character, instead play your interrupt/negate. Once you've chosen to complete the action by removing your character you've passed the special initiative and has no basis for complaining when a Dominant is played.

That's how I have always played it.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #52 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:15:00 AM »

bookmarked so no one can rule against me otherwise.

Korunks · « **Reply #53 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:43:00 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on March 26, 2011, 12:48:41 AM

It's simple. If you're going to interrupt/negate the removal when you have special initiative, then don't remove your character, instead play your interrupt/negate. Once you've chosen to complete the action by removing your character you've passed the special initiative and has no basis for complaining when a Dominant is played.

But what if the opponent does not give you opportunity to interrupt/negate before they play a dominant to take out the other EC?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #54 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:53:20 AM »

then you still get to interrupt and try explaining it to your opponent and probably the host as well as everyone else that doesnt agree then forfiet a loss because no one agrees with you.

browarod · « **Reply #55 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:56:34 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on March 26, 2011, 09:43:00 AM

Quote from: Gabe on March 26, 2011, 12:48:41 AM
It's simple. If you're going to interrupt/negate the removal when you have special initiative, then don't remove your character, instead play your interrupt/negate. Once you've chosen to complete the action by removing your character you've passed the special initiative and has no basis for complaining when a Dominant is played.

But what if the opponent does not give you opportunity to interrupt/negate before they play a dominant to take out the other EC?

Did you willingly remove the first character? No? Then special initiative remains regardless of AotL.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #56 on:** March 26, 2011, 11:35:02 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on March 26, 2011, 09:43:00 AM

Quote from: Gabe on March 26, 2011, 12:48:41 AM
It's simple. If you're going to interrupt/negate the removal when you have special initiative, then don't remove your character, instead play your interrupt/negate. Once you've chosen to complete the action by removing your character you've passed the special initiative and has no basis for complaining when a Dominant is played.

But what if the opponent does not give you opportunity to interrupt/negate before they play a dominant to take out the other EC?

Then you tell them to take their card back as they just made an illegal move.

The same thing applies when someone plays an ITB to stop immunity and tries to play AotL then. You cant play dominants until instant abilities finish. In this case, they cant play AotL until you either interrupt two bears or shuffle your EC.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2011, 01:40:25 PM »

The Dom has been played. It stays on the table and waits for all abilities to complete before activating. I don't let people "unplay" cards in a tournament setting like that.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #58 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:18:27 PM »

Well its still an illegal play...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #59 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:21:07 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 26, 2011, 02:18:27 PM

Well its still an illegal play...

How is it illegal? They were just being hasty.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #60 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »

You're not allowed to do anything except play interrupts when an instant ability is activating. You have to wait for it to finish before you play anything else.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #61 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:40:56 PM »

True. Thus, the dom waits to activate.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #62 on:** March 26, 2011, 02:43:04 PM »

Yeah but it doesn't change the fact that you're not supposed to do anything while another card is activating. That's an undeniable slapjack, and is quite unfair.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #63 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:19:28 PM »

Lambo

SomeKittens · « **Reply #64 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:31:21 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 26, 2011, 02:43:04 PM

Yeah but it doesn't change the fact that you're not supposed to do anything while another card is activating. That's an undeniable slapjack, and is quite unfair.

I, once again, agree. All I'm saying is that instead of returning to hand (which would be a take-back), the dom has been played, but must wait (thus stopping slapjack).

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #65 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:13:34 PM »

I guess that makes sense, just be sure to inform your opponent that was an illegal move and explain what happens.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #66 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:14:48 PM »

I'd make them pick it up and wait for the ability to complete. After it does, I'd make them play it. If they question my authority to force them to do so, I'd let them know that I am the law.

Korunks · « **Reply #67 on:** March 26, 2011, 11:42:53 PM »

The only problem I have with Lambo's statement is that according to the rules is currently not an illegal move. There is no written rule(that I can find) that support his position. The elders should rule that is how it works because it makes the most sense. I just want this to be solved.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 27, 2011, 12:02:28 AM »

Quote

Instant Abilities
Instant abilities complete before another ability can be inserted, including dominants. The effect of instant abilities can only be undone if they are interrupted or negated. They must be followed immediately or are forfeited. See also Ongoing Abilities.

I assume "inserting" means "attempting to play."

Also, that quote alone solves this whole debate if I'm not mistaken.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 27, 2011, 08:30:49 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 26, 2011, 10:14:48 PM

I'd make them pick it up and wait for the ability to complete. After it does, I'd make them play it. If they question my authority to force them to do so, I'd let them know that I am the law.

My history playing against Rawrlolsauce!...

Quote from: Bobby Fuller

Playing cards and I'm on the run.
I fought the law and the law won.
I fought the law and the law won.
I needed Doms 'cause I had none.
I fought the law and the law won.
I fought the law and the law won.

I lost a soul and it feels so bad.
Guess my race is run.
This is the best deck I ever had
I fought the law and the law won
I fought the law and the law won

This is still quite a painful memory so thanks for rubbing my nose in it, 'Sauce.

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Author Topic: special initive when does it end (Read 7137 times)

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