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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2010, 03:09:42 PM »
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We're trying to explain the ruling to you, because you don't believe us when we tell you that the quotes aren't conflicting (Which they're not).

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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2010, 03:18:33 PM »
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I guess I am missing it but if you all see it, I will just trust you and move on.  So What about in my example instead of using Sons of Thunder, I used My Lord and My God?  I would assume I cannot play it when I am losing by removal if I target a fortress with it?  Right?

Example:

I RA with John
Opponent blocks with Lot's wife and choses not to band.  Opponent plays Net(capture).

I have intiative because I am losing by removal.  I play My Lord and My God and target his Fortress to negate and discard, and then I want to play reach and AOCP.

I can't because My Lord and My God does not interrupt the battle, it just negates what it discards?

My Lord and My God (Di)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a disciple, negate and discard an evil card in play or set-aside area. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 20:28 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Sons of Thunder (Di)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: X / X • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and discard X evil cards. Cannot be prevented. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Mark 3:17 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()
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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2010, 03:21:30 PM »
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Correct. Since you are not stopping the removal you can't play it.
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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2010, 03:23:11 PM »
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Right.  Like you said, because MLaMG isn't targeting everything in battle, just the card that it discards.

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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2010, 04:02:00 PM »
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Redemption® Rulebook > Situation Descriptions > Losing the Battle
Losing by Removal because of a Special Ability
A Hero is losing by removal if the Hero is being captured, discarded, returned to territory, or otherwise removed from battle by an opposing special ability. You have initiative, but you may only play an enhancement that has an “interrupt” or “negate” special ability [and only if it will interrupt or negate the special ability that is causing your character to be losing by removal].

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Example – Losing by special ability
You are making a rescue attempt with Guiding Angel, a silver brigade Hero with abilities of 7/7. Your opponent blocks with the Evil Character Er, a pale green brigade Evil Character with abilities of 6/6. Since Er is losing, the opponent has initiative to play an evil enhancement. Your opponent plays Slave Trade. There are no abilities (numbers) on this card, but its special ability reads, “Capture any Hero in play and place in your Land of Bondage. Hero is treated as a Lost Soul.” This is causing Guiding Angel to be losing by removal. You have initiative, but you may only play an enhancement if the enhancement will “interrupt” or “negate” Slave Trade.  Otherwise, your opponent will capture Guiding Angel and place him in his Land of Bondage.

Good find!  I added in brackets the part that should be stated in the rule to avoid confusion.

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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2010, 12:20:26 PM »
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I have intiative because I am losing by removal.  I play My Lord and My God and target his Fortress to negate and discard, and then I want to play reach and AOCP.

My Lord and My God (Di)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a disciple, negate and discard an evil card in play or set-aside area. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 20:28 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()
Sorry to revive this thread, but I have a question regarding this last example.  Could you actually target a fortress with My Lord and My God if you are losing by removal?  It negates the card it targets, but it doesn't interrupt the battle.  So you would have to target the EE removing your hero, right?
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Re: Special Initiative
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2010, 12:25:26 PM »
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I have intiative because I am losing by removal.  I play My Lord and My God and target his Fortress to negate and discard, and then I want to play reach and AOCP.

My Lord and My God (Di)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a disciple, negate and discard an evil card in play or set-aside area. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 20:28 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()
Sorry to revive this thread, but I have a question regarding this last example.  Could you actually target a fortress with My Lord and My God if you are losing by removal?  It negates the card it targets, but it doesn't interrupt the battle.  So you would have to target the EE removing your hero, right?

Correct. If you play MLaMG in response to being removed from battle, you cannot target anything but the evil card removing you from battle.
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