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Offline SignoftheStar

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A Temple's A Temple
« on: December 13, 2017, 05:43:44 PM »
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So I was looking in the REG, and under Heavenly Temple Artifacts I saw:

"Priestly Artifacts and Temple Artifacts are not considered Heavenly Temple Artifacts."

Curious, I turned to Temple Artifacts and found:

"Priestly Artifacts are not considered Temple Artifacts."

Which leads me to ask, just for the record,
while a Temple Artifact is not considered a Heavenly Temple Artifact,
is a Heavenly Temple Artifact indeed considered a Temple Artifact?
Namely,
if I have Promo Glory of the Lord in my Tabernacle holding the Ark of the Covenant and I have The Golden Altar active in my Artifact pile, is The Golden Altar, a Heavenly Temple Artifact, also protected alongside my Ark?

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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2017, 06:39:33 PM »
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Quote from: REG
The reference to temple is general and includes Solomon’s Temple, Zerubbabel’s Temple, and Herod’s Temple.

Given this sentence I would say an ability that refers simply to "Temple Artifacts" does not affect Heavenly Temple artifacts.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2017, 09:28:30 PM by Kevinthedude »

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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 07:56:28 PM »
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Saying that the reference to temple is general only make me more convinced that the term Temple Artifact refers to an Artifact from any temple. If the Heavenly Temple is excluded from this generality, shouldn't there be an explicit exclusion?
I'd really appreciate a third opinion on this.
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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 08:34:37 PM »
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Jesse had an article about the Heavenly Temple and associated cards on Land of Redemption earlier in the year.

The Temple Artifacts belong in the earthly Temples, not the Heavenly Temple. That will probably be more clearly stated in the next REG.

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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 03:06:36 AM »
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I mean, I still don't see anything in that article that even suggests that Heavenly Temple Artifacts don't qualify as Temple Artifacts.
Regardless of their absence from earthly temples, the fact remains that they are Artifacts from a Temple. It would be unnecessarily confusing to have them not be considered Temple Artifacts. The precedent up to this point is that there are different types of Temple Artifacts, but they all fall under the category of Temple Artifact: Solomon's Temple Artifact, Herod's Temple Artifact. Now we have another Temple and Artifacts that go in that Temple, and they have particular identifier just like the rest- Heavenly Temple Artifact. Breaking the precedent for this is unnecessarily confusing.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 03:17:12 AM by SignoftheStar »
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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM »
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In most cases the things found on earth are not also found in heaven and vice versa. The only current acceptation to that in relation to artifacts is The Ark of the Covenant.

As Mr. Aggie mentioned, this will be clearer after the next REG update.
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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 01:40:28 PM »
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I mean, I still don't see anything in that article that even suggests that Heavenly Temple Artifacts don't qualify as Temple Artifacts.
Regardless of their absence from earthly temples, the fact remains that they are Artifacts from a Temple. It would be unnecessarily confusing to have them not be considered Temple Artifacts. The precedent up to this point is that there are different types of Temple Artifacts, but they all fall under the category of Temple Artifact: Solomon's Temple Artifact, Herod's Temple Artifact. Now we have another Temple and Artifacts that go in that Temple, and they have particular identifier just like the rest- Heavenly Temple Artifact. Breaking the precedent for this is unnecessarily confusing.

It would also be unnecessarily confusing for Altar of Dagon to be considered a "Temple artifact" because it was found in the Temple of Dagon...
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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2017, 07:19:24 PM »
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It would also be unnecessarily confusing for Altar of Dagon to be considered a "Temple artifact" because it was found in the Temple of Dagon...
Not as confusing as the fact that and altar designed and built specifically for Solomon's temple (Altar of Ahaz) is not considered a "Temple artifact."  IMHO.

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Re: A Temple's A Temple
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 02:37:20 PM »
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When the identifier "Temple Artifact" was first instituted, it was only minorly problematic because the only different temples in existence were the First and Second temples, and the differences between their contents were small enough to keep in a manageable list. When Herod's Temple came out, no new problems were created because it was the same temple as Zerubabel's, just with renovations and expansions. When Heavenly Temple came out, since Redemption changes tack at a tanker's pace despite its small size, "Temple Artifact" was not updated in the literature to "Earthly Temple Artifact," "Heavenly Temple" was just added to it. "Temple Artifact" has an implied "earthly" before it.
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