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1.) Does satan's seat negate all protect abilities on opponent's heroes all the time or only when they are rescuing against the site. It was ruled you must rescue against the site for the protect ability to kick in(much to my dismay), Is this true and if so, why?No it is not, SS's ability says place on a site to negate all protect abilities. as soon as you place it on a site it continuously negates all protect abilities whether they RA at that site or not. The ruling was wrong.1a.) If your opponent rescues the first half of the 2 liner, does Satan's seat still discard the hero's? No, the LS says it must be rescued twice to count. A half rescue is not a full rescue because the card must be rescued twice in order for the first rescue to qualify as a true RescueSatan's Seat (FF)Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place on your single-color Site to negate all protect abilities on opponent’s Heroes. If a Hero rescues a Lost Soul from that Site, discard that Hero. • Play As: Place on your single-color Site to negate all protect abilities on opponent’s Heroes. Discard all Heroes that rescue a Lost Soul from that Site. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: Revelation 2:13 • Availability: Faith of our Fathers booster packs (None)2.) If you have high priests palace in territory with a couple Sadducee's (1/3) and your opponent activates crown of thorns, do you sadducee's live in territory as 1/0's? Yes3.) Opponent rescues with Thaddeus and has 10 disciples in play, you block with a 9/9. Can you play enhancements to make your evil character bigger then Thaddeus or is the evil character not allowed to have evil enhancements played due the protect of Thad?Currently, in that situation, Thad protects all heroes from the 9/9 EC's SA and any enhancements played on him. The number abilities of the cards do not count toward the overall #'s of the EC so they would not change the protect status of Thads SA.Thaddeus (Di)Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less. Cannot be interrupted. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple • Verse: Matthew 10:2-3 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()
Satan's Seat negates anything anywhere regardless of what site it is on and the status of that site in relevance to that battle.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 23, 2011, 11:35:40 PMSatan's Seat negates anything anywhere regardless of what site it is on and the status of that site in relevance to that battle.It seemed pretty clear to me that is what is suppose to happen but what do you do when the two of the very experienced players disagree?I was arguing that since it was saying do X to do Y, once satan's seat was placed on a single color site it did negate all protect abilities on opponent's heroes immediately.I would like an elder or REP to step in and give me their two cents about these questions. I lost the match due the ruling about satan's seat.
1a.) I think yes.Sidenote: Is SS an ongoing ability?
It seemed pretty clear to me that is what is suppose to happen but what do you do when the two of the very experienced players disagree?
I would like an elder or REP to step in and give me their two cents about these questions. I lost the match due the ruling about satan's seat.
Satan's Seat says "opponent's" which has always been ruled as the person attacking you. It would have to say "opponents' " for it to be all inclusive.
Right. That would mean in MP, it's only active while you are being attacked by someone.
SS is not tied to the site it's on; I'm curious why you thought it was.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 24, 2011, 12:29:11 AM Right. That would mean in MP, it's only active while you are being attacked by someone.That is the ruling that I made. Perhaps spicy was talking about something else that I was not a part of, but since he said "two" of us, I thought that what he was talking about the ruling that I had made.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 24, 2011, 12:29:11 AMSS is not tied to the site it's on; I'm curious why you thought it was. The discard would be tied to the site, though, wouldn't it? You would have to have access to that site in order to make a rescue at the site.
The ruling that I made was in a multiplayer game.
The question that I asked was during the finals of t1 2p, when my opponent claimed (who was also the judge/host) said that satans seat negate ability was only active when rescuing against that particular site. My recolection was ymt confirmed this as well.
Quote from: spicynumber1 on July 24, 2011, 12:17:49 AMQuote from: Alex_Olijar on July 23, 2011, 11:35:40 PMSatan's Seat negates anything anywhere regardless of what site it is on and the status of that site in relevance to that battle.It seemed pretty clear to me that is what is suppose to happen but what do you do when the two of the very experienced players disagree?I was arguing that since it was saying do X to do Y, once satan's seat was placed on a single color site it did negate all protect abilities on opponent's heroes immediately.I would like an elder or REP to step in and give me their two cents about these questions. I lost the match due the ruling about satan's seat.I also would like Elder input, since I was the one who made the ruling.Satan's Seat says "opponent's" which has always been ruled as the person attacking you. It would have to say "opponents' " for it to be all inclusive.
Quote from: spicynumber1 on July 24, 2011, 01:59:24 AM The question that I asked was during the finals of t1 2p, when my opponent claimed (who was also the judge/host) said that satans seat negate ability was only active when rescuing against that particular site. My recolection was ymt confirmed this as well.I did not confirm that ruling. Granted I have a horrible memory, but I think I would have remembered that, especially with first place on the line. Are you sure it was not someone else like Josh or Marcus?
My bad, I assumed that this was in a 2 player game. If it is in a multi-player game, then it would only effect the person attacking you, but they don't necessarily have to have access to that site to fall victim to the negating protection part on heroes, They just have to have access to fall victim to the discard clause. They just have to be attacking you to be your opponent. I also rescind my ongoing ability part. I think it has to reactivate when it is triggered by the beginning of a battle where you are being attacked for the negating of protection to happen.
If it has to reactivate for every battle, then does it actually stop Thad at all, since Thad is CBI?
However, in two player (which is what I assume we are talking about), it would always be active because there is always an opponent.
This was a 2p game. I don't know how people are confusing this with MP. The ruling was carried into t1 2p and had a strong effect on the outcome of the finals.
The issue here is a misunderstanding of my original ruling.
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 24, 2011, 03:11:11 PMThe issue here is a misunderstanding of my original ruling. This is only part of the issue. The other part, the more important part, was my opponent who is also the judge and host of the event made a ruling in the finals that apparently is not correct which contributed heavily to result of the tournament.
