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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2009, 01:21:39 PM »
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Again, it wasn't just a two-person conversation that led to my impression of the tone of this thread.

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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2009, 01:25:49 PM »
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Again, it wasn't just a two-person conversation that led to my impression of the tone of this thread.

Understood. I won't say anything more at this point.

BTW, you're still Captain Schaef to me....  ;)
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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2009, 01:33:08 PM »
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though; no one has presented the very logical idea that it's an evil variation on the good Temples which hold the holy artifacts.

So says Schaef, Captain of the "Temple" Guard.  ;D
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Temple of A could be in someones STOREHOUSE, ok there ahem.

I would say Temple of Dagon is a Temple, it may be a false god, but its a REAL temple.
That seems presented to me.
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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2009, 07:06:12 PM »
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Where's the part where it draws the parallels: both Fortresses, both historically temple buildings, both holding Artifacts, just of different alignment?

All I see is "Temple of Dagon is a Temple", which almost sounds like a tautology.

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2009, 03:07:22 PM »
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I thought that all was implied by it being a real temple. Silly me.
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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2009, 03:36:24 PM »
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I thought that all was implied by it being a real temple. Silly me.

Apparently you are silly, because there are two other cards in the game that depict temples but do not fit any of those criteria.  It's also silly to post a conclusion and assume that all of the supporting facts are implied.  The entire point of forensic debate is to present the facts and have them lead to the conclusion.

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2009, 04:20:13 PM »
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Hey,

Based on the wording from Zerubbabel's Temple ("good Temple or Tabernacle") The Tabernacle would not qualify as a "good Temple" and thus would not qualify as a Temple for Desecrate the Temple.

Also since Zerubbabel's Temple specifies "good Temple" that suggests to me that there can be an evil (or possibly neutral) temple.  Since evil temple's can exist I can't imagine how Temple of Dagon would fail to qualify.

Herod's Temple is where it starts to become a little less clear to me, if only because it is not a Fortress.  But Desecrate the Temple doesn't say anything about the temple having to be a fortress.  Since there is no Fortress requirement I don't see how we can include Solomon's Temple and Temple of Dagon as temple's but not include Herod's Temple.

Temple of Nisroch seems pretty obvious to me as well, given the fact that Desecrate the Temple does not require the Temple to be a Fortress Temple of Nisroch seems to qualify just as much as Temple of Dagon does.

So I'm coming up with the following list of temples:

Solomon's Temple, Zerubbabel's Temple, Herod's Temple, Temple of Dagon, and Temple of Nisroch.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2009, 04:51:07 PM »
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So the fact that the other types of cards it discards are specific types doesn't phase you?  Or that it doesn't say "card with Temple in the title" (see also: the difference between David and a card with David in the title)?
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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2009, 04:57:25 PM »
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Honestly I think assyrian camp shoulda been the temple reprint because a building shouldn't be an enhancement.

Add more fuel to the fire.

We are supposed to be temples of the holy spirit yes?

I want to d/c my opp.
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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2009, 05:02:21 PM »
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If used by a Babylonian, discard an Artifact, Temple or good Dominant in opponent's territory. If there are none, discard one from opponent's deck instead.

Just to refresh the wording.

For what its worth, I agree with Maly as well. To draw a parallel.... Warriors gabe just says Enhancement. It doesnt specify good or bad, so you can discard both.

Same deal. This just says "Temple." Not "Temple fortress." As such, it should be able to discard ANY card that is a physical temple, regardless of type.

Also, RR's last question came from me.  ;)

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2009, 05:03:09 PM »
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So I'm coming up with the following list of temples:

Solomon's Temple, Zerubbabel's Temple, Herod's Temple, Temple of Dagon, and Temple of Nisroch.

Personally, I would add House of Rimmon to the list.

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2009, 05:06:49 PM »
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Hey,

So the fact that the other types of cards it discards are specific types doesn't phase you?  Or that it doesn't say "card with Temple in the title" (see also: the difference between David and a card with David in the title)?

It suggests to me that what the card actually says does not perfectly match up with what the intent of the card was, but it does not phase my opinion of how the card should be ruled.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2009, 05:11:44 PM »
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Agreed. We can't be a game with 100 cards that don't really do what they say we do. We have to save that kind of thing for a card that might break the game(i.e. Holy Grail), which I don't think DtT is going to do.

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Re: Desecrate the Temple...
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2009, 05:14:35 PM »
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Hey,

So I'm coming up with the following list of temples:

Solomon's Temple, Zerubbabel's Temple, Herod's Temple, Temple of Dagon, and Temple of Nisroch.

Personally, I would add House of Rimmon to the list.

You are quite right.  House of Rimmon belongs on the list as well.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

 


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