Author Topic: SoG + NJ? (Read 4223 times)

The Guardian · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM »

In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

I will allow another Elder to confirm this and then we don't need to bother Rob.

K?THXBYE

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:17:24 AM »

JSB23 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:35:42 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM

In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

I will allow another Elder to confirm this and then we don't need to bother Rob.

K?THXBYE

I'm sorry Rob has never ruled it that way so it's not official

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:41:23 AM »

If you're only going to accept an answer from Rob, you'd probably be better off emailing him.

But the answer is going to be what Guardian said. Changing the ruling such that NJ never works would have the same effect as banning it, which I don't see Rob doing. Or you'd get people taking them out of their sleeves (or not using sleeves) and taping them together to make sure they hit the table at the same time.

DDiceRC · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2010, 09:31:16 AM »

This would be related to Rob's Haman's Plot ruling, which says the card does not have to be torn into exact halves, just torn in two parts so it cannot be reused. (I got that one live when my son was playing him and tried to pull the "it's not halves, because one side is bigger than the other" argument.) Redemption allows for some slight "human effect" when cards are played so that impossible physical feats are not required.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2010, 09:57:25 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM

In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

I will allow another Elder to confirm this and then we don't need to bother Rob.

K?THXBYE

Dude, you dont NEED another elder to make rulings... look at all of your titles!

The Guardian
~~Deck Architect~~
Official Playtester
Tournament Host
Redemption Elder
Redemption Elder

Yeah, you're so cool, you're TWO redemption elders at the same time. That gives you the power to make a ruling official just with your opinion. Shazam!

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:22:02 AM »

Jordan has told me that simultaneously meant "within a few miliseconds each other, a bit longer on RTS".

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:28:31 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM

In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

I will allow another Elder to confirm this and then we don't need to bother Rob.

The Guardian · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:34:53 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on November 17, 2010, 09:57:25 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM
In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

I will allow another Elder to confirm this and then we don't need to bother Rob.

K?THXBYE

Dude, you dont NEED another elder to make rulings... look at all of your titles!

The Guardian
~~Deck Architect~~
Official Playtester
Tournament Host
Redemption Elder
Redemption Elder

Yeah, you're so cool, you're TWO redemption elders at the same time. That gives you the power to make a ruling official just with your opinion. Shazam!

LOL, not sure how that happened but I fixed it so I am only "one" Elder now.

The Guardian · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:38:24 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on November 17, 2010, 01:35:42 AM

I'm sorry Rob has never ruled it that way so it's not official

Quote from: CactusRob on May 25, 2010, 07:10:40 AM

To help resolve ruling issues, the following people have authority to making rulings in the game. If at least two people on the list rule on an issue it can be read with a higher degree of confidence. Also, if one of these Elders post a ruling and states that the ruling was reached by consensus it can be understood to settle an issue.

1) Mike Berkenpas, 2) Tim Maly, 3) Bryon Hake, 4) Stephen Schafer, 5) Justin Alstad, 6) Gabe Isbell, 7) Kevin Shride, 8 ) Eric Largent,
9) Chris Bany, 10) John Michaliszyn, 11) Rob Anderson, 12) Roy Cruz, 13) Mark Underwood, 14) Jordan Alstad

Okay? Okay cool.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:49:52 PM »

If it makes you feel better, Josh, since I'll be running the next local tournament at North Heights, I will be sure to disallow you from playing SoG and NJ simultaneously, just so you don't go against what you feel should be the case. I wouldn't want you to feel that you are breaking the rules or anything. However, since no one else has ever seemed to have much of an issue with it, I will allow everyone else the opportunity to use them as they always have. Feel better now?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2010, 02:26:25 PM »

I always have a black hole generator nearby to warp the laws of physics when I need to.

STAMP · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2010, 04:42:03 PM »

Isn't New Jerusalem basically A New Beginning for God's creation? Maybe we should rule them consistently.

JSB23 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2010, 05:04:34 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 01:38:24 PM

Quote from: JSB23 on November 17, 2010, 01:35:42 AM
I'm sorry Rob has never ruled it that way so it's not official

Quote from: CactusRob on May 25, 2010, 07:10:40 AM
To help resolve ruling issues, the following people have authority to making rulings in the game. If at least two people on the list rule on an issue it can be read with a higher degree of confidence. Also, if one of these Elders post a ruling and states that the ruling was reached by consensus it can be understood to settle an issue.

1) Mike Berkenpas, 2) Tim Maly, 3) Bryon Hake, 4) Stephen Schafer, 5) Justin Alstad, 6) Gabe Isbell, 7) Kevin Shride, 8 ) Eric Largent,
9) Chris Bany, 10) John Michaliszyn, 11) Rob Anderson, 12) Roy Cruz, 13) Mark Underwood, 14) Jordan Alstad

Okay? Okay cool.

How many times have those people said I am Holy + Chamber works?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2010, 05:32:10 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 17, 2010, 04:42:03 PM

Isn't New Jerusalem basically A New Beginning for God's creation? Maybe we should rule them consistently.

Except there should be entirely new decks, with no evil cards.

Or lost souls, for that matter.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2010, 05:35:13 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on November 17, 2010, 05:04:34 PM

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 01:38:24 PM
... Mark Underwood,...
How many times have those people said I am Holy + Chamber works?

You tell me. Find some quotes of me saying that IaH + CoA works.

But besides that fact, the fact that there was recently a change in the IaH + CoA ruling doesn't mean anything to this discussion. I know that the IaH + CoA ruling came from Rob directly, and I think that the SoG/NJ ruling also came from Rob (although this was before I became an elder). And the system that 2 or more elders agreeing in a ruling thread is authoritative also came from Rob.

So really you shouldn't be having any problems right now. Everyone who has posted here including multiple elders and multiple REPs all agree that SoG/NJ works. Case dismissed.

STAMP · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2010, 06:39:19 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on November 17, 2010, 05:35:13 PM

... all agree that SoG/NJ works. Case dismissed.

Ergo, SoG/ANB works, too.

everytribe · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2010, 09:04:37 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on November 17, 2010, 12:33:03 AM

Does the SoG + NJ combo work? becuase it is humanly impossible to play them and make sure they hit the table at the exact same time (Which is what simultaneous means) so it's condition (being played simultaneously) hasn't been fulfilled therefore it shouldn't work.

I'm going to need a ruling from Rob on this one because he's never made an actual ruling on it so it could go either way.

Josh, just play without a NJ in your deck at the next tournament, then you don't have to worry about a ruling. Besides you will just confuse the RLK's like Nathan and Martin.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:05:48 PM »

Simultaneously has nothing to do with when they hit the table, nothing happens simultaneously in redemption with the exception of SoG and NJ.

Anyway New Jerusalem doesn't say "If you play this card simultaneously..." it says "Play this card simultaneously..." therefore for it to make any sense at all you have to play it at the same time, not because of a game rule about dominants hitting the table at the same time but because the card says you can.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #20 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:27:57 PM »

JSB's name is Josh? I didn't know that. My son's name is Joshua.

Hi Josh!

crustpope · « **Reply #21 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:43:42 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 17, 2010, 06:39:19 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on November 17, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
... all agree that SoG/NJ works. Case dismissed.

Ergo, SoG/ANB works, too.

I concur

The Guardian · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2010, 04:05:05 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 17, 2010, 06:39:19 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on November 17, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
... all agree that SoG/NJ works. Case dismissed.

Ergo, SoG/ANB works, too.

5 yard penalty for illegal substitution by Stamp.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2010, 09:19:07 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 17, 2010, 10:43:42 PM

Quote from: STAMP on November 17, 2010, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: Prof Underwood on November 17, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
... all agree that SoG/NJ works. Case dismissed.

Ergo, SoG/ANB works, too.

I concur

Illegal formation on crustpope. 5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2010, 09:27:07 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 17, 2010, 12:58:51 AM

In Redemption gameplay, "simultaneously" means "together," which is why a player can lay down SoG/NJ as a pair to rescue 2 Lost Souls but a player cannot lay down his NJ with another player's SoG.

K?THXBYE

So, in TEAMS, why can't you and your teammate lay them down together?

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Author Topic: SoG + NJ? (Read 4223 times)

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