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I vote we change the rules and give experience credit for a successful taunt. That'd make it even easier.

Correct.  And since the immunity is CBN--Goliath would win the battle.*



*More specifically--I do not know how to get around CBN immunity.

and grapes/aotl or grail

and will prove to be incredibly hard to get rid of with a generic character that can recur him, and be recurred.

Nazareth says hi

So now since immunity works vs thad (per recent threads), if Goliath is wearing his armor in battle he would be immune to pumped up 11 discipled crowned thad, correct?  

Correct.  And since the immunity is CBN--Goliath would win the battle.*

Coat of Many Colors + Plague of Frogs
Discard his armour in territory.
Attack with a red disciple.
Don't play disciples.

and grapes
aotl
or grail

As well as Ark of the Covenant.  (Who uses that anyway...)

There you go.  Crossing out all of the options that either don't meet the conditions that Slug Fencer put forward or don't result in Goliath beating Thad we see that you have a huge list of choices.

If you have Angel of the Lord in your hand you are most likely going to win a battle against a lone blocker. If you are one of the three people in the world you use Coat of Many Colors and happen to have both it and Plague of Frogs in your hand at the same time you also have a shot provided your opponent doesn't have Joseph in Prison or Bringing Fear or any other interrupt. Color me impressed.

And of course, since Goliath can potentially shut down every other common T2 offense all by himself...

Except the Garden Ladies because Phillies have absolutely no protection against territory destruction, nothing to stop pre-block ignore, and the thing that helped them stave off this trouble previously (the Outpost) got hurt badly in this regard by Nazareth.

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 23, 2011, 12:35:40 PM

Correct.  And since the immunity is CBN--Goliath would win the battle.*

Cool. So another question that I don't understand--since the immunity works vs supathad, I know red dragon immunity is easily killed by reach/aoc. So CBN immunity (goliaths armor/balaams disob) vs supathad can that be reach/aoc'd?

No. Reach/AoC works against Red Dragon because you are interrupting the Dragon's immunity with reach. Since Goliath's Armor/Balaam's Disobedience are CBN, reach cannot interrupt the immunity they confer.

I ask because I am wondering if thad's special powers wipe out that CBN stuff like it normally does (king zed/dungeon won't work vs thad even tho it CBN)?

King Zed + Dungeon won't work because Protect (Thad) beats CBN (DoM).  (And CBN beats Negate and Negate beats Protect.)

One interesting side effect of all this is that you can play negates to your hearts content when blocking Thaddeus (unless they target a CBN card). So, say your opponent has an OT artifact active and 8 disciples out when he makes a rescue with Thad.  If you block with Philistine Priests (5/5) it will negate the OT artifact even though Thaddees is protecting it from ECs with toughness less than 8.  Kinda cool, huh?  I only wish I could figure out how to take meaningful advantage of this loophole.

One interesting side effect of all this is that you can play negates to your hearts content when blocking Thaddeus (unless they target a CBN card). So, say your opponent has an OT artifact active and 8 disciples out when he makes a rescue with Thad.  If you block with Philistine Priests (5/5) it will negate the OT artifact even though Thaddees is protecting it from ECs with toughness less than 8.  Kinda cool, huh?  I only wish I could figure out how to take meaningful advantage of this loophole.

If you had an EC that could negate James the Less' ability, that would kick Thad out of battle (although not stop his ability), leaving you to block a 1/4 hero.  You'd need a CBN/CBP negate on the EC...  Like 12FG and...  I can't think of any others that woudn't be negated by James.

Oh, and Blue Tassels is an OT artifact...  That could be helpful if Thad is in battle    Only problem is, if James is in battle too...  Philly Priests won't work

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I was under the impression Negate only beats Protect if its is negating the protect itself.

That impression is incorrect. Protection does nothing against negation ever.

Correct. Negates don't target cards (even, albeit confusingly, when the ability is "negate a card"), negates only target special abilities. Protecting a card doesn't protect the SA. The only "protection" abilities have from negates are CBN/I/P abilities.

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I was under the impression Negate only beats Protect if its is negating the protect itself.

That impression is incorrect. Protection does nothing against negation ever.

Pol is correct.

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From a meta-game design question all the way to round a discussion of the implications of PoA vs 12FG. Pretty sweet, n'est-ce pas?
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Oh, and Blue Tassels is an OT artifact...  That could be helpful if Thad is in battle  

Blue Tassels...  D'Oh.     How could I have forgotten that?