Cactus Game Design Message Boards

It's not completely useless as a protect, in fact it's completely overpowered if it ISN'T a protect. The way you guys want to rule it, not only does it interrupt without interrupting, it negates without negating. My "Ignore you. CBN" enhancement is, effectively, negated by you putting a skull icon card on Golgotha. Protection at least follows the rules of "if you don't interrupt/negate it then you can't undo/protect/save your character from it" whereas Golgotha, the way you're saying it should be treated, gets around any and every ignore card, regardless of wording, usage, or initiative. That seems far too OP to me.

Yes, it is completely useless as a protect, because then CBIgnored does NOTHING against preblock ignore, which is the entire REASON it was developed.

I mean, probably 90% of the time ignore is used, its used pre-block to stop people from entering battle. If CBIgnored is a protect, then its only useful 10% of the time.

So you want only Persians, Kings, Heretics, and one other EC per deck to be able to block PBIg, the worst bight this game has ever suffered?

So you want only Persians, Kings, Heretics, and one other EC per deck to be able to block PBIg, the worst bight this game has ever suffered?

Sounds good to me King Mannywood and Persians rock.

Want to use an Ignore battle-winner? (none of them are CBN, btw) See Golgotha in opponent's territory? Just use the best card in Di before attacking.

I Am Truth (AW)
Type: Covenant • Brigade: White • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Good enhancements with "ignore" in the special ability cannot be negated by evil cards. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 14:6 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)

Burning Incense (Pi)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 1 / 1 • Class: None • Special Ability: All Heroes ignore an evil brigade of holder’s choice. Cannot be negated if Altar of Incense is active. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 1:9 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

Well ignore was by far the #1 most complained about thing before this set, so they made an incredibly powerful counter for it.

agree, i'd hate to see in-battle ignore neutered as well. some offensive strats rely on it (nt gold, ot royalty).

Yes, NT gold. You'd know how much it rocks if you'd play something other than your tgt silly boy.

<3 good samaritan/kindness/i am truth

the only reason I don't think Golgotha works in battle is because it doesn't interrupt/negate. It can be an ability in it's own universe for all I care, but if it doesn't interrupt/negate, it shouldn't be able to undo an ignore played before it (or if the card is removed after the ignore is played) in battle. Call it a protect, don't call it a protect, doesn't matter to me.

Does CBN interrupt an ongoing "negate all special abilities" effect?  No.  CBN abilities just work, and continues to work, in spite of the ongoing negate.

Does CBI interrupt the ignore and insert the ability?  No.  It just allows someone to block, or continue to block, in spite of an ongoing Ignore.

"Cannot be Ignored" is not a protect.  It will not be treated as a protect.  It is its OWN ability, just like CBN, CBP, and CBI.

CBI does not interrupt an ignore ability, and it doesn't need to.  Let's say you ignore all gold evil characters, and I have 6 Egyptians and 1 Herod in my territory, and I have Golgatha active.  Golgatha is not interupting or negating or preventing your Ignore ability in any way.  It is not prtecting any of my characters from that effect.  All Golgatha does is allow my Herod to block regardless of the ongoing ignore ability, and to continue to block as if that ability were not there.  But that ignore ability is still there, and mmy Egyptians still can't enter battle.

It is the same thing with CBN.  If you attack with Strong Angel, and I block with King Zed, You still prevent all special abilities on all of my enhancement.  My cards do not interrupt your ongoing negate, but Dungeon of Malchiah just works regardless of the fact that special abilities on all other enhancements are prevented.

"Cannot be Ignored" is not a protect.  It will not be treated as a protect.  It is its OWN ability, just like CBN, CBP, and CBI.

And yet CBN acts like a protect. It limits the targets for a negate ability. How exactly is that not a protect?

EDIT: Also, I re-submit the precedence of Faith in Our High Priest. It does not retroactively grant CBN status to enhancements undone before it, I don't see why CBIg does if it's the same kind of aiblity as CBN.

No such loops can happen as a result of a CBIgnored ability activating mid-battle, that I can see.  Is there some loop possibility that I am not seeing?

I would think the complete neutralization of ignore as a special ability makes just as much of a negative impact as endless loops to warrant a special ruling. Why did you even make the ignore ability just to effectively remove it later on?

In-battle ignores are not overpowered, nor anywhere close to unstoppable, that I can see. Is there some OP possibility that I am not seeing?