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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2011, 01:20:54 PM »
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Hey,

If the soul that prevents drawing is in play when Feast of Trumpets is played the lost soul will prevent the drawing portion of the ability.  The rest of the ability will work normally.

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2011, 01:36:59 PM »
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Hey,

If the soul that prevents drawing is in play when Feast of Trumpets is played the lost soul will prevent the drawing portion of the ability.  The rest of the ability will work normally.

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Just to be clear, this is the conclusion that the elder team has come to, not just Tim making a statement.  Consider it official.
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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2011, 02:06:23 PM »
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That only answers a single question/scenario.

What about the whole issue of whether set-aside abilities are either all gained by the character or if some are triggered abilities that aren't necessarily gained by a character?
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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2011, 02:19:07 PM »
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also wondering. or should i say wandering?
Wandering's an entirely different lost soul.

I was speaking of wandering as in walking aimlessly (until ruled upon) :)
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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2011, 03:44:33 PM »
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That only answers a single question/scenario.
Don't think so...

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What about the whole issue of whether set-aside abilities are either all gained by the character or if some are triggered abilities that aren't necessarily gained by a character?
Gained abilities from set asides are CBN (and too many things would change if that were modified). Since Pigs is able to prevent the draw ability, that means it cannot be gained.  Hence, some set-aside abilities *must* be triggered. qed.

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2011, 11:58:12 PM »
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Hey,

Not all set-asides result in the character gaining an ability.  Protection of Jerusalem, Pentecost, and Feast of Trumpets are a few that come quickly to mind that do not result in a character gaining an ability.

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2011, 12:07:42 AM »
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so Windows of Narrow Light still protect heros (w/ no SA) whom are set aside with Pentecost?

Is Equipped for the Mission a gained ability?

Equipped for the Mission (AW)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set a Hero aside. On return, reveal one card from top of draw pile for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle the rest into your draw pile. • Play As: Set aside a Hero. On return, reveal one card from top of deck for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle [return] the rest (if any) into your deck. • Identifiers: NT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Hebrews 13:20-21 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2011, 08:05:47 AM »
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See, even Sir Nobody is compelled to agree when someone ends their post with "qed." YMT now has an overwhelming advantage when arguing ruling questions.  :)

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2011, 01:42:03 PM »
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OPTION A it is then.  ;)
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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2011, 05:25:19 PM »
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so Windows of Narrow Light still protect heros (w/ no SA) whom are set aside with Pentecost?
It appears so.

Is Equipped for the Mission a gained ability?

Equipped for the Mission (AW)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set a Hero aside. On return, reveal one card from top of draw pile for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle the rest into your draw pile. • Play As: Set aside a Hero. On return, reveal one card from top of deck for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle [return] the rest (if any) into your deck. • Identifiers: NT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Hebrews 13:20-21 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)
My gut reaction is that it is NOT a gained ability for the hero.  This is a card that seems to target the player for the benefit (similar to Pentecost) instead of giving the benefit to the hero itself.  Therefore I think it would not count as a gained ability for the hero.

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2011, 05:28:43 PM »
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I thought that the only abilities that targeted players were restricts....?

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2011, 10:15:48 PM »
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Hey,

See, even Sir Nobody is compelled to agree when someone ends their post with "qed." YMT now has an overwhelming advantage when arguing ruling questions.  :)

It is indeed true.  Although I find it even more compelling if the "qed" is incorporated into a song.  This one is a good example.

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Re: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2011, 02:05:47 PM »
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so Windows of Narrow Light still protect heros (w/ no SA) whom are set aside with Pentecost?
It appears so.

Is Equipped for the Mission a gained ability?

Equipped for the Mission (AW)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set a Hero aside. On return, reveal one card from top of draw pile for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle the rest into your draw pile. • Play As: Set aside a Hero. On return, reveal one card from top of deck for each turn Hero was set aside. Take up to two good cards revealed into hand. Shuffle [return] the rest (if any) into your deck. • Identifiers: NT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Hebrews 13:20-21 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)
My gut reaction is that it is NOT a gained ability for the hero.  This is a card that seems to target the player for the benefit (similar to Pentecost) instead of giving the benefit to the hero itself.  Therefore I think it would not count as a gained ability for the hero.

It's just a triggered ability.  It's not gained by the hero and doesn't target the player.
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