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Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« on: November 14, 2012, 04:30:49 PM »
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Does Cov w/ Death negate an active Simon the Zealot?

Simon the Zealot (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red/Purple • Ability: 7 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate and discard Rome and a N.T. Idol. First Strike. Protect your hand and deck from opponents' cards while this Hero remains in play. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple • Verse: Luke 6:13-15 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Covenant with Death (FF2)
Type: Curse • Brigade: Pale Green/Brown • Ability: 2 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate characters. Restrict players from playing Enhancements unless a character is opposed in battle. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Isaiah 28:15 • Availability: Faith of our Fathers Extended booster packs (None)

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Re: Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 07:02:10 PM »
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No.
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Re: Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 07:03:19 PM »
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No, because the ability activated in a different phase, making it CBN.
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Re: Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2012, 07:08:38 PM »
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Agreed.  Cards that have completed and are "while in play" are CBN starting in the phase after they are completed.

However, I did have it ruled at Nats by a combination of Elders that if every time he enters battle, he reactivates, and therefore the protection ends and must be reactivated.  If it is negated at that point, there is no more protection.  At that point, the ability was not complete in a previous phase (as it reactivates), and can be negated in that battle.
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Re: Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 07:14:34 PM »
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That's odd. He doesn't say "until he enters battle again." There's no mechanism in the SA for that to be the case; is there a top-down rule I'm unaware of that says when an ability reactivates, it's previous activation is null?
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Re: Simon the Zealot vs. Covenant with Death
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 07:18:51 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 14, 2012, 07:14:34 PM
That's odd. He doesn't say "until he enters battle again." There's no mechanism in the SA for that to be the case; is there a top-down rule I'm unaware of that says when an ability reactivates, it's previous activation is null?

I argued similarly, but what I had explained is essentially a top-down ruling on abilities.  When an ability reactivates (which for character is only when they enter battle, for fortresses is continuous, and so on), it completely reactivates.  Its previous activation no longer applies, only the current activation.

Gabe is the one who made the whole explanation to me, so he'd be the one to ask for more details.  I honestly can't remember the situation that caused it, but it wasn't Simon.  I think it was a lost soul...I'll try to remember to help the discussion.
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