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If my Simon the Zealot's ability is active can an opponent's Grapes shuffle my Hero into my deck?

Grapes of Wrath (TP)
Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard an evil card in battle to shuffle all remaining characters in battle into owners’ decks. If the current rescuer doesn't have the most Redeemed Souls, he may begin a new battle.

Simon the Zealot (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red/Purple • Ability: 7 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate and discard Rome and a N.T. Idol. First Strike. Protect your hand and deck from opponents' cards while this Hero remains in play.

Yes.

i guess i will agree to

stops them from targetting it there targetting the hero which goes to the deck there not specifically targetting the deck so it works at least thats the way i understand it

with RDT. If I had to make some sort of l33t ruling I'd say that the evil card was discarded, all opponent's characters are shuffled, and the hero would be left in battle and would require a CM, Writ, etc etc.

What would really confuse me then is starting a new battle if allowed.... the first battle hasn't ended.

I'm interested to hear an explanation also.  I'm not clear how Grapes can shuffle a card into my protected deck.

This is my initial ruling:
Its not targeting your deck . Its targeting the evil card and any other characters in battle. Stating the characters go to deck when shuffled is just clarification. When any card is shuffled, by default, it is shuffled into deck.

However, I found out that the REG instead classifies any card being shuffled into draw pile, returned to the top, or bottom of draw pile to be categorized as a return to draw pile ability.

Instant Special Abilities > Return to Draw Pile
General Description
This special ability refers to cards that must be returned to a draw pile.  This category includes cards shuffled into the draw pile, returned to the top of the draw pile, and placed beneath owner's draw pile.  This category does not include shuffling a draw pile after a search special ability (see Search, Reveal, or Exchange).

I have fought myself over this question:
Is the draw pile being targeted in this example? If the answer is yes, then that drawpile is protected from any special ability that would target it. Does that mean that Simeon the Zealot is indirectly protected from returning to that protected drawpile? What happens if both players have Simeon the Zealots ongoing protection? Does that mean any EC in battle not targeted for discard when Grapes of Wrath is played is also protected from returning to the respective owners drawpile?

Lets read the ability again:

Grapes of Wrath (TP)
Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard an evil card in battle to shuffle all remaining characters in battle into owners’ decks. If the current rescuer doesn't have the most Redeemed Souls, he may begin a new battle. • Play As: Discard an evil card in battle to shuffle [return] all remaining characters in battle into owners’ decks. If the current rescuer doesn't have the most Redeemed Souls, he may begin a new battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Revelation 19:15 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()

Im just not sure that the deck is being targeted in this example.

ty thats pretty much what i said