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A musician is defined as a person who wrote songs, lead a group of people in singing and worship, or who was described in the Bible as being a musician by profession.An Enhancement involves music if it does one of three things: Represents all or part of a song or Psalm. Represents an event that was noted for its music. Represents a musical instrument or singing.
So I was driving to Midwest Regionals when I get a text from Olijar saying that Simeon was a musician. The logic behind this is that he wrote Nunc Dimiitis. We started looking further and discovered that Isaiah was also a musician, as there are several Songs of Praise in Isaiah. So I built The Deck again at 3:30 a.m. the morning before MW Regionals, as both John Earley and Jordan Alstad agreed that they fit the definition of musician. However, at nationals there was dispute and it was agreed that they should look into it further before changing the REG identifiers, and the former definition stood.
I can't argue with Isaiah, that's fairly solid actually, but as far as Mary, Zach and Simeon go, they weren't leading anyone in worship, and the bible never explicitly states that they wrote songs for others to sing, These are more like 'one-off's'. I'm sure if we expanded it to "Anyone who ever wrote two poetic lines, or Lead worship" we'd have Musicians as one of the largest themes.
The definition that Rob agree upon is "anyone who wrote/lead songs".Isaiah (Isaiah 5:1) - Only indicates that Isaiah sang a song. Singing a song by itself doesn't meet the definition.Mary (Luke 1:46) - This indicates to me that she sang a song, but that's all. That doesn't make her fit Redemption's definition.Zacharias (Luke 1:67-68) - DittoSimeon (Luke 2:28-29) - DittoThe scripture passages referenced don't indicate to me that any of these people ever wrote or lead songs.
Although I agree that all 3 of these characters should be muscians I am scared to think of the combos which may arise. :-)
Hard at work on the next set I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.
I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.
If nothing else, add "except Isaiah, Simeon, and Habakkuk" to the definition to quell the arguments because right now your only argument is "we don't feel like making them Musicians so they won't be."
I've honestly given up on this ever happening but it 100% should.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 17, 2014, 09:28:58 AMI've honestly given up on this ever happening but it 100% should.
Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 17, 2014, 04:21:11 PMHard at work on the next set I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.Just for clarification: does the REG definition of Musician count as new or more evidence? If not, does this mean that we can ignore REG definitions about what can be classified as what if we don't like what it has to say (that is the precedence that you are setting here...)?
As long as I end up in charge you can do whatever you want
I'm forced to conclude that we all agree that Simeon and Isaiah should be musicians.