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Fun with Goliath
« on: June 11, 2011, 03:52:09 PM »
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Goliath (P)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 10 / 10 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Giant (Human), Philistia

Goliath's Spear (Ki)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 3 / 2 • Class: Weapon • Special Ability: Worth 8/10 if used by a giant. Goliath may retain as a weapon until discarded. • Play As: Increase abilities on this card to 8/10 if used by a giant. If played on Goliath, he may hold Goliath's Spear as a weapon until discarded. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon,must be played as enhancement on Goliath in battle to be retained

Goliath’s Armor (FF)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 0 / 5 • Class: Weapon • Special Ability: Bearer is immune to purple brigade. Cannot be negated. • Play As: Bearer is immune to purple brigade. Cannot be negated. If placed on Goliath, Goliath may hold until discarded. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon ???

Q1: Can Goliath hold both is armor and spear at the same time? (or another rumored weapon that may or may not be useful on Goliath?)
Q2: Are the bolded abilities abilifiers or what?
Q3: Can Goliath retain multiple copies of the spear or armor?
Q4: Will Goliath get name on name bonus for the 8/10 or the 3/2 for the Goliaths Spear?

Another question: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/official-errata/errata-reworded-special-abilities/30/

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Re: Fun with Goliath
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2011, 04:24:28 PM »
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1. I would think that since abilities/identifiers allow you to place/retain Spear and Armor on Goliath that you could indeed keep both on him (and even another normal weapon-class enhancement on the promo version) simultaneously.

2. Goliath's Spear is not an abilifier as you need to play the enhancement via initiative in battle in order for the "may be retained by Goliath" part to become active. Goliath's Armor is an identifier, I believe.

3. Yes? I'm not sure about this one.

4. Name-on-name only ever applies to the numbers in the icon box. If Goliath uses Goliath's Spear, you would choose when playing it whether to use the name-on-name bonus (3/2 * 2 = 6/4) or the printed increase (8/10).

Fun with Goliath, indeed.

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Re: Fun with Goliath
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2011, 04:53:46 PM »
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1. I would think that since abilities/identifiers allow you to place/retain Spear and Armor on Goliath that you could indeed keep both on him (and even another normal weapon-class enhancement on the promo version) simultaneously.
cool
2. Goliath's Spear is not an abilifier as you need to play the enhancement via initiative in battle in order for the "may be retained by Goliath" part to become active. Goliath's Armor is an identifier, I believe.
it was just written as an identifier in the REG not on the card... it doesn't say "in battle" on the card xp

3. Yes? I'm not sure about this one.

4. Name-on-name only ever applies to the numbers in the icon box. If Goliath uses Goliath's Spear, you would choose when playing it whether to use the name-on-name bonus (3/2 * 2 = 6/4) or the printed increase (8/10).

Fun with Goliath, indeed.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 07:36:04 PM by Nameless »

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Re: Fun with Goliath
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 02:13:50 AM »
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I would like to agree, but the words "as a weapon" indicate that the spear counts as his weapon exclusively. He can't use it and another weapon, nor multiple copies of it. Since the armor just says that he can hold it, I would think he can have as many copies as he wants plus another weapon, but "hold" is weapon terminology so I may be wrong.
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Re: Fun with Goliath
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 09:10:35 AM »
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At one point it was ruled that Goliath could keep one of each of his weapons.  I think I remember seeing it in the reg updates thread.  Not sure if that is still valid.

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Re: Fun with Goliath
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2011, 09:18:34 AM »
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Actually, the REG Updates thread says this:

Miscellaneous (Special Condition)
•   Goliath may retain any number of the weapon-class enhancement’s designated for him.

However, in light of the new promo, this will have to be updated again.
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