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Offline Professoralstad

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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2011, 03:49:00 PM »
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2011, 09:01:29 AM »
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I like Prof. explanation best as i see these as triggered abilities also and the player activating these triggers should choose which activates first.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2011, 09:11:51 AM »
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If this doesn't work, then using SoG/NJ on the shuffler and fbtn LS doesn't either right? ( In regards to shuffling all the LSs. )
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2011, 10:13:02 AM »
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Quote from: Daniel TS RED on July 26, 2011, 09:11:51 AM
If this doesn't work, then using SoG/NJ on the shuffler and fbtn LS doesn't either right? ( In regards to shuffling all the LSs. )
That won't work regardless. FBTN's ability doesn't stop the moment it leaves play. It stops the phase /after/ it leaves play. Just like an artfact.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2011, 12:28:47 AM »
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Thorns wasn't negated.  Therefore, it's still active until the end of the round.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2011, 12:31:29 AM »
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thorns actually says 'while this card is in play'.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2011, 12:51:13 AM »
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My point still stands, it's still active, but the trigger isn't triggered, so my point's useless.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2011, 11:03:36 AM »
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so whats the ruling on thorns+shuffler w/ SoG+NJ?
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »
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Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 29, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
so whats the ruling on thorns+shuffler w/ SoG+NJ?

The same as it's always been.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2011, 12:24:09 PM »
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Can we get some clarification as to why this is the case and how this is different than using SoG and NJ on shuffler and any other soul?
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2011, 01:03:08 PM »
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Quote from: Gabe on July 29, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 29, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
so whats the ruling on thorns+shuffler w/ SoG+NJ?

The same as it's always been.

So we can rule it same as we always have? Awesome!

So here in Florida, you can rescue the Thorns with SoG, then the Shuffler with NJ, to shuffle all remaining LSs not in sites.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 29, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
Quote from: Gabe on July 29, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 29, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
so whats the ruling on thorns+shuffler w/ SoG+NJ?

The same as it's always been.

So we can rule it same as we always have? Awesome!

So here in Florida, you can rescue the Thorns with SoG, then the Shuffler with NJ, to shuffle all remaining LSs not in sites.

Unfortunately, not. It's the same as its been since Bryon ruled on it years ago. I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2011, 01:08:11 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM
I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.

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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2011, 07:41:18 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 29, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM
I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.

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I agree with this sentiment. Hopefully we can get some kind of explanation so we can proceed to argue it and get the ruling changed so we can sleep better at night.
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2011, 09:43:03 AM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM
It's the same as its been since Bryon ruled on it years ago. I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.
It looks like this will stay the same for Nats (to be consistent).  However, you can expect an announcement to be made at Nats regarding how this will be played in the future :)
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2011, 10:43:01 AM »
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Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 01, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM
It's the same as its been since Bryon ruled on it years ago. I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.
It looks like this will stay the same for Nats (to be consistent).  However, you can expect an announcement to be made at Nats regarding how this will be played in the future :)
Oh the suspense!
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Re: Shuffler LS vs Thorns LS
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2011, 06:39:32 PM »
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Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 01, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 01:06:13 PM
It's the same as its been since Bryon ruled on it years ago. I still would like some clarification though, and maybe I'll be just the kind of guy who will end up picking a fight about it on the other side of the boards.
It looks like this will stay the same for Nats (to be consistent).  However, you can expect an announcement to be made at Nats regarding how this will be played in the future :)
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