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the other thread, janissary, not this one.

Here is an interesting way to remember, Weapons stick if you remain in control of the character at the end of the turn. (i.e. conversion and set-aside) If you lose control of the character at the end of the turn, the weapon is either discarded or shuffled approprately.

That also fails in the case of Dungeon of Malchiah/Joseph before Pharaoh - cards that capture the character and put it in your LOB.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on August 20, 2008, 08:44:02 PM

"The Weapon follows all other rules regarding Enhancements."

I think you would be well-advised to remember the context of the discussion. 

You made a General statement.

Why doesn't the card get discarded when Nergal is set aside?

Because weapons stick.

Then when a hero is shuffled the weapon sticks.

No, there is a game rule which specifies "Weapons do not shuffle with ther bearer of the weapon." I don't know where your trying to go with this.

Weapons stick in territory. The hero can carry them into battle then back to terrirtory that is how Shaef explained it. 

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on August 21, 2008, 08:28:01 PM

Then when a hero is shuffled the weapon sticks.

There is no justification for this statement whatsoever.  The function of weapons has been explained to you and the rule regarding this is clearly spelled out.

But the 2 rules don't make sense with each other. I dislike these arbitrary rules that don't make sense. You cant have it both ways.   The weapon should be discarded when the character is set aside. I don't like that but that is the right ruling.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on August 22, 2008, 01:46:55 PM

But the 2 rules don't make sense with each other.

That's like saying the rules for conversion and the rules for discard don't make sense with each other.  Of course they're not going to make sense with each other if they do different things.  Weapons are not placed Enhancements.

I know that.  If you shuffle in a character bearing a weapon the weapon is discarded.  If you set aside a character bearing a weapon that weapon should be discarded because a normal enhancement in battle would not be set aside.  Can you help understand the logic behind that abitrary rule.  You cant just make rules for the sake of making rules you have to now why that rule was made and that is ultimatley my question for Rob.  The shuffle rule should be changed, that rule is at least printed the set aside rule is not.

Weapons are their own brand of Enhancement with special rules governing their use.  There is nothing arbitrary about a set of rules that apply to a special brand of card.  That's the whole point of them being special.

Were in the Reg or the rulebook does it say that the weapon is not discarded when the character is set aside? 

You gave me a set of rules for weapons according to that set of rules the weapon is discarded when set aside. It was my understanding that you were talking in general about the weapons rules when you made that statement.

Quote from: The Schaef on August 22, 2008, 03:03:20 PM

Weapons are their own brand of Enhancement with special rules governing their use.  There is nothing arbitrary about a set of rules that apply to a special brand of card.  That's the whole point of them being special.

Were in the Reg or the rulebook does it say that the weapon is not discarded when the character is set aside? 

Where in the REG does it say they are discarded? Weapons follow the characters they are on... IDK why this is so difficult.

Weapons are their own brand of Enhancement with special rules governing their use.  There is nothing arbitrary about a set of rules that apply to a special brand of card.  That's the whole point of them being special.

If you actually go around thinking that rules are made up just to make them up, it's not at all surprising that it's so difficult to come to an understanding.

Okay understood.



Were in the REG or rulebook does it say weapons aren't discarded when the hero is set aside?

"It is understood that it stays in other situations."


All I am saying is that it doesn't make sense to have the weapon stay on the character when set aside, when the weapon is discarded when the character is shuffled.