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Offline Bryon

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Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« on: January 05, 2010, 10:59:35 PM »
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In Matthew 2:13, the words of the angel end "for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

Does that count as prophesying?

I'm about to start playtesting a certain card that requires a silver prophet, and need to know if that guy can use it.  :)

What say you?
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 11:02:39 PM »
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Bryon I say yes, I also say any card needing a Silver Prophet is in the wrong brigade ;)
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 11:06:36 PM »
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I'd say yes also. 
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 11:09:00 PM »
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Straight to the Bible for the answer...good call, Bryon.   :)
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 12:20:58 AM »
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If Gabe is considered a Prophet then why not. Though I frown on prophets being in the Silver Brigade.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 10:10:21 AM »
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Quote from: Isildur on January 06, 2010, 12:20:58 AM
If Gabe is considered a Prophet then why not. Though I frown on prophets being in the Silver Brigade.
I agree that he would be a prophet in the same sense that Gabe or CotH is a prophet.  I also agree that it doesn't sit well with me for angels in general to be prophets.  I know that they told of future events, but they were just delivering a message for God.  Of course you could say the same about the human prophets I suppose, so I guess it's ok.  There's just something about it that doesn't make feel right.

Of course since I think decisions should be made based on logic and not feelings, my hesitancy should be ignored.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 11:14:45 AM »
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The Angel said: "For Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

Who instructed the angel to say that? God.

What did Herod do? He sought the young child to destroy him.

Looks like a bona fide prophecy by a bona fide prophet to me.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »
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Prophet!
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 02:52:49 PM »
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I agree that generally angels should not be considered prophets. I mean, angels are supposed to be God's messengers, right? In that case, aren't all of them really "prophets"? It would add a nice game mechanic though, and according to REG definition certain angels fit, so I say sure, make him a prophet. He fits as well as Gabe or Captain.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 02:54:27 PM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 06, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
I agree that generally angels should not be considered prophets. I mean, angels are supposed to be God's messengers, right? In that case, aren't all of them really "prophets"?

Well what are human prophets then?  Aren't they also messengers of God's word?
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 03:00:37 PM »
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I think the argument is that humans don't "dwell" (use your own word for live or something like that) with God.  Angels are literally with God as he tells them what to say instead of humans "hearing" from God.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 03:10:18 PM »
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I think that if you show us the card you are testing right now, we can better answer your prophet question :)
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 03:13:53 PM »
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Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on January 06, 2010, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 06, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
I agree that generally angels should not be considered prophets. I mean, angels are supposed to be God's messengers, right? In that case, aren't all of them really "prophets"?
Well what are human prophets then?  Aren't they also messengers of God's word?
Quote from: Crashfach2002 on January 06, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
I think the argument is that humans don't "dwell" (use your own word for live or something like that) with God.  Angels are literally with God as he tells them what to say instead of humans "hearing" from God.
Also, not nearly every human is a prophet. Angels, though...
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 03:30:42 PM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 06, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on January 06, 2010, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 06, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
I agree that generally angels should not be considered prophets. I mean, angels are supposed to be God's messengers, right? In that case, aren't all of them really "prophets"?
Well what are human prophets then?  Aren't they also messengers of God's word?
Quote from: Crashfach2002 on January 06, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
I think the argument is that humans don't "dwell" (use your own word for live or something like that) with God.  Angels are literally with God as he tells them what to say instead of humans "hearing" from God.
Also, not nearly every human is a prophet. Angels, though...

My statement was more of helping people who feel a little wierd about making angels prophets explain themselves, I am not saying all humans are prophets or angels can't be prophets.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 04:08:12 PM by Crashfach2002 »
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2010, 03:57:33 PM »
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That verse is the prophesying of the future, so I say prophet.

The REG calls a prophet, "A Prophet is any Hero or Evil Character that the Bible refers to as a prophet or who foretold the future by supernatural revelation."  That fits in this case, and note that nothing there restricts prophets to being humans.

Since not every angel prophecies in the Bible (many never say anything, and others appear without words of prophecy), so I'm not against certain angels being classified as 'prophet' to mean that they have prophesied, as this fits with the definition of the word:

Princeton University: "S: (n) prophet: prophesier, oracle, seer, vaticinator (an authoritative person who divines the future); someone who speaks by divine inspiration; someone who is an interpreter of the will of God".

People consider Jesus as a prophet, based on Luke 13:31-35, and even Luke 24:19.  If He can be a prophet, I don't see why it's unfair for an angel to be one.
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 04:38:19 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: sk on January 06, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
People consider Jesus as a prophet, based on Luke 13:31-35, and even Luke 24:19.  If He can be a prophet, I don't see why it's unfair for an angel to be one.

I'm not sure that's the best argument to use.  People didn't know what to make of Jesus.  Some people believed Jesus was Elijah.  Just because people thought Jesus was something doesn't mean that He was.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2010, 05:59:22 PM »
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I agree that is the case with the second verse, but isn't him discussing His upcoming death, resulting in Him calling himself a prophet?  (I may be over thinking the verse, I just happened across it.)
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Re: Should Angel of Warning be a Prophet?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 06:06:41 PM »
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Quote from: sk on January 06, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
People consider Jesus as a prophet, based on Luke 13:31-35, and even Luke 24:19.  If He can be a prophet, I don't see why it's unfair for an angel to be one.

because jesus was a human, not an angel.
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